"Baby BTAC"

[Clifford]

"Baby BTAC": Eagle Rare 10, Weller Antique 107, Stag Jr., and Sazerac Rye?

[Fishin49er]

I was actually thinking about this the other day. I would say Weller 12 is the baby WLW. What would be considered the baby THH, if there is one?

[HoustonNit]

I was actually thinking about this the other day. I would say Weller 12 is the baby WLW. What would be considered the baby THH, if there is one?

I'd consider OWA the baby WLW as it's there higher proof offering of basic Weller. I'd consider W12 baby Pappy.

[CardsandBourbon]

Well I have the W12, Sazerac, ER10 and Stagg Jr. so I've got the Baby BTAC.  Yay for me. LOL!

[Jfletchgu]

I like this, the baby set. Im only missing the sazerac rye and ill have the set. I'll probably never see any of their big brothers so might as well enjoy the babies.

[alcoholica]

I've seen case sheets that basically state WLW is the 12 y/o at barrel proof. Not sure if that helps the question at all.

[kevinbrink]

1 hour ago, HoustonNit said:

 

I'd consider OWA the baby WLW as it's there higher proof offering of basic Weller. I'd consider W12 baby Pappy.

 

I consider W12 the better Lot B 

[HoustonNit]

I consider W12 the better Lot B 

Never had lot B, find this so surprising. At the end of the day shouldn't lot B basically be a better and more selective W12? I guess if I understand correctly lotB is what Van Winkle puts aside for Pappy but when they try it, doesn't make the cut for Pappy? I guess in this scenario I could see lot B potentially being worse that W12.

[Kane]

12 minutes ago, HoustonNit said:

 

Never had lot B, find this so surprising. At the end of the day shouldn't lot B basically be a better and more selective W12? I guess if I understand correctly lotB is what Van Winkle puts aside for Pappy but when they try it, doesn't make the cut for Pappy? I guess in this scenario I could see lot B potentially being worse that W12.

In my very limited experience with Lot B -- only tried the 2014 thru 2016, and one unknown older bottle I traded for a Yamazaki 12 with a Scotch drinker --, it is not consistent at all. I didn't care for any of them, did SBS with W12, not a big difference.

 

...except for the 2014 which is burned into my memory. I still regard it as one of the best wheaters ever. I had 4 pours from the same bottle at the same bar over that winter, and it was consistently mind-blowing stuff.

[Bourserker]

8 hours ago, HoustonNit said:

 

Never had lot B, find this so surprising. At the end of the day shouldn't lot B basically be a better and more selective W12? I guess if I understand correctly lotB is what Van Winkle puts aside for Pappy but when they try it, doesn't make the cut for Pappy? I guess in this scenario I could see lot B potentially being worse that W12.

 

I've done a side by side of the 2 and could barely tell the difference.  The only thing that stuck in my mind is that the Lot b was a little richer, maybe a little more "buttery".

[Jazz June]

Going outside of Buffalo Trace products, the only other barrel proof wheater I am aware of is Maker's Mark cask strength, so that might be the closest to WLW on that aspect. However, the bottle of Maker's cask strength I have is 111 proof so not much higher than the 107 of OWA/ORVW 10/PVW 15. Within BT products, wouldn't the ORVW 10 arguably be closer to the WLW than OWA?

 

[starhopper]

MM cask strength is nothing like WLW!  Different distillery, different mashbill, different warehouses, etc.  The ONLY thing they have is common is they are “wheaters”

[flahute]

20 hours ago, Clifford said:

"Baby BTAC": Eagle Rare 10, Weller Antique 107, Stag Jr., and Sazerac Rye?

No.

We aren't going to do this.

[Kyjd75]

8 hours ago, starhopper said:

MM cask strength is nothing like WLW!  Different distillery, different mashbill, different warehouses, etc.  The ONLY thing they have is common is they are “wheaters”

Are you sure about the mashbill?

[starhopper]

Pretty sure Buffalo Trace doesn’t share its mashbills and yeast with Makers Mark!

[flahute]

39 minutes ago, Kyjd75 said:

Are you sure about the mashbill?

 

27 minutes ago, starhopper said:

Pretty sure Buffalo Trace doesn’t share its mashbills and yeast with Makers Mark!

What Kyle is referring to is the oft stated history of Maker's Mark way back when they stopped being T.W. Samuels and created an entirely new whiskey which they decided to call Maker's Mark. As the story goes, Julian Van Winkle helped them out by providing both the recipe and the yeast so they could get started.

[starhopper]

4 minutes ago, flahute said:

 

What Kyle is referring to is the oft stated history of Maker's Mark way back when they stopped being T.W. Samuels and created an entirely new whiskey which they decided to call Maker's Mark. As the story goes, Julian Van Winkle helped them out by providing both the recipe and the yeast so they could get started.

I see - I’ve read that account as well.  Still, I can’t imagine that Buffalo Trace, as the new distiller for PVW, would be using the same mashbill and yeast as might’ve been shared by Julian all those years ago?  Has Buffalo Trace or Julian ever addressed this?

[HoustonNit]

What Kyle is referring to is the oft stated history of Maker's Mark way back when they stopped being T.W. Samuels and created an entirely new whiskey which they decided to call Maker's Mark. As the story goes, Julian Van Winkle helped them out by providing both the recipe and the yeast so they could get started.

I've heard this and no reason not to believe it. That being said they don't taste the same.

[starhopper]

Interesting subject!  And they definitely don’t taste similar.

[flahute]

5 minutes ago, starhopper said:

I see - I’ve read that account as well.  Still, I can’t imagine that Buffalo Trace, as the new distiller for PVW, would be using the same mashbill and yeast as might’ve been shared by Julian all those years ago?  Has Buffalo Trace or Julian ever addressed this?

When the Van Winkles approached BT for contract distillation I very much believe they'd want BT to get it as close as possible by using all the same ingredients. They desire consistency. My memory on the timelines is currently foggy (I blame the jet lag I'm currently powering through) but there was a long lag between S-W shutting down and BT starting up so it's quite possible the yeast was no longer available. Also possible that BT wouldn't want to use it.

1 minute ago, HoustonNit said:

 

I've heard this and no reason not to believe it. That being said they don't taste the same.

 

A LOT of reasons for this. Different stills. Different fermenters. Different water. Different aging conditions.

[fishnbowljoe]

1 hour ago, HoustonNit said:

 

I've heard this and no reason not to believe it. That being said they don't taste the same.

 

 

1 hour ago, flahute said:

 

A LOT of reasons for this. Different stills. Different fermenters. Different water. Different aging conditions.

And from what others have said, not myself mind you , Julian gets the "pick of the litter" so to speak, when it comes to the BT wheated distillate.

 

Biba! Joe

[HoustonNit]

A LOT of reasons for this. Different stills. Different fermenters. Different water. Different aging conditions.

Even assuming yeast as a live microorganism doesn't change over time, another big factor I'd assume is different suppliers of raw ingredients. I've love someone with inside knowledge to correct me but I'm guessing there not one big supplier of corn, Rye Marley that supplies all the big distilleries.

[flahute]

11 minutes ago, HoustonNit said:

 

Even assuming yeast as a live microorganism doesn't change over time, another big factor I'd assume is different suppliers of raw ingredients. I've love someone with inside knowledge to correct me but I'm guessing there not one big supplier of corn, Rye Marley that supplies all the big distilleries.

 

Yeast is kept frozen in multiple locations to ensure it stays the same over time.

On raw ingredients, yes, there are many different sources that distillers use so that is also a factor.

[HoustonNit]

Yeast is kept frozen in multiple locations to ensure it stays the same over time.

This is what I enjoy about these forums a wealth of information. Assumed it was something like this.

[HoustonNit]

And from what others have said, not myself mind you <_ julian gets the of litter to speak when it comes title="Buffalo Trace">BT wheated distillate.
 
Biba! Joe

Please elaborate on Biba, sounds Polish?