Syncnite Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Bourbon must be aged in new charred oak casks. But can it also be treated with oak chips immediately before filtering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadewood Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 there is a section of TTB code on labeling regarding whiskey that has contact with wood other than an oak barrel. In the TTB BAM it is found in Ch. 1 section 8. 8. TREATMENT WITH WOOD · DISCLOSURE “COLORED AND FLAVORED WITH WOOD _________” (insert chips, slabs, extracts, etc., as appropriate) is required on labels to indicate treatment with wood · APPLICATION Applies only to whisky and brandy treated – other than through contact with oak containers – with wood: In any manner or form, either directly or indirectly, e.g., chips, slabs, extracts, etc. At any point during the production or storage process, up to and including the time of bottling It also specifies this appears on the front label. It's very specific about the language used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledInBond Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 1 hour ago, wadewood said: there is a section of TTB code on labeling regarding whiskey that has contact with wood other than an oak barrel. In the TTB BAM it is found in Ch. 1 section 8. 8. TREATMENT WITH WOOD · DISCLOSURE “COLORED AND FLAVORED WITH WOOD _________” (insert chips, slabs, extracts, etc., as appropriate) is required on labels to indicate treatment with wood · APPLICATION Applies only to whisky and brandy treated – other than through contact with oak containers – with wood: In any manner or form, either directly or indirectly, e.g., chips, slabs, extracts, etc. At any point during the production or storage process, up to and including the time of bottling It also specifies this appears on the front label. It's very specific about the language used. What is interesting is that this specific language does not appear on the front of Makers Private Select. It just says “barrel finished with oak staves” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadewood Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 14 hours ago, BottledInBond said: What is interesting is that this specific language does not appear on the front of Makers Private Select. It just says “barrel finished with oak staves” class action lawsuit just waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marekv8 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 This brand pushes the term "FINISHED" to an entirely different level. In some of the more recent photos, their BOURBON & VINE HANDCRAFTED WHISKEY has been changed to WHISKEY & VINE FINISHED WHISKEY. Surprised that they're not required to carry a "choking hazard" warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graftonbc1 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 That regulation deals with coloring or flavoring a spirit, not aging or finishing it. It is to prevent a manufacturer from coloring or flavoring a neutral spirit without stating that it did so. MM is not in violation of this code. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbutler Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Marekv8 said: This brand pushes the term "FINISHED" to an entirely different level. In some of the more recent photos, their BOURBON & VINE HANDCRAFTED WHISKEY has been changed to WHISKEY & VINE FINISHED WHISKEY. Surprised that they're not required to carry a "choking hazard" warning. If you eat the wood when you finish the bottle ... will you hallucinate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richnimrod Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, jbutler said: If you eat the wood when you finish the bottle ... will you hallucinate? I know I did indeed hallucinate, Boss! I had the vision of experiencing a really good Bourbon, and it was very satisfying... then I woke up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnbowljoe Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 OMG! Dejá vu all over again. Biba! Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledInBond Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, graftonbc1 said: That regulation deals with coloring or flavoring a spirit, not aging or finishing it. It is to prevent a manufacturer from coloring or flavoring a neutral spirit without stating that it did so. MM is not in violation of this code I don’t think I agree with that statement. MM is adding those staves specifically to flavor the matured whiskey. I mean, they even say on the back label that the different staves add different flavors. These staves clearly are a wood treatment, and they aren’t the wood container, as they are added inside the existing barrel. Also if you read the regulations there is nothing that says anything about this being for neutral spirits, but it specifically says it does apply to whisky. https://www.ttb.gov/spirits/bam/chapter1.pdf Edited May 10, 2019 by BottledInBond 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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