kevinbrink Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19142001000978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonNit Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I’ll take one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledInBond Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 55 minutes ago, kevinbrink said: https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19142001000978 I’m just trying to imagine what they’ll want to charge for this....... I mean, the last two Booker’s LEs and the last two KC LEs have been pretty spendy. Given their recent pricing decisions I’m sure this won’t be any less than $150, and if that is the case I’ll have to hear lots of glowing reviews before even considering it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, BottledInBond said: I’m just trying to imagine what they’ll want to charge for this....... I mean, the last two Booker’s LEs and the last two KC LEs have been pretty spendy. Given their recent pricing decisions I’m sure this won’t be any less than $150, and if that is the case I’ll have to hear lots of glowing reviews before even considering it Yep. Baker’s at 13 yrs old sounds amazing to me but as you pointed out Beam has been among the worst at pricing when introducing products like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbroo5880i Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I wonder how a 13 year old Baker's would compare to a 13 year old Knob Creek Single Barrel? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fosmith Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, mbroo5880i said: I wonder how a 13 year old Baker's would compare to a 13 year old Knob Creek Single Barrel? With this coming out there may be fewer 13+ year old KC SiB releases in the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCwhammie Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 hours ago, fosmith said: With this coming out there may be fewer 13+ year old KC SiB releases in the future... This new Baker's is single barrel. Since Bakers and KC have different profiles, I would be surprised if barrels designated for KC would be redirected to Bakers. I could very well be wrong, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinjoe Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I’m in a weird spot with this release. Baker’s is my favorite Beam offering. And, I am of the opinion that Beam whiskies shine best at ~7 yrs and, have thought that Beams lose their juiciness and heft when they get much above that. For instance, I’ve really not been a fan of the plethora of 13-15ish year KCSB releases that I have tried. Though, I did have one recently that I enjoyed. As Whammie pointed out the different profiles of KC and Baker’s above, I am wondering which way this one will go. I’m hoping thick and juicy Baker’s. Regardless, if it’s priced in my comfort zone, I’ll buy it. Most likely, I’ll jump past my comfort zone because I have little self control... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryT Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Hmm . . . like Joe I'm interested, but hoping this isn't too oaky for my taste buddies. I'd rather see some 7 yr, barrel proof Bakers. But once again - they never asked me. I mean . . . really . . . when is the last time they even called? I'm beginning to think this relationship is pretty one-way . . . 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeTerp Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 definitely interested but I'm guessing availability will be tough in an ABC state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz June Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I thought Baker's was made using a different yeast from other Beam products? If that is the case, it would seem that Baker's barrels would not be interchangeable with Knob Creek barrels, but I can't remember where I read that and could easily be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinbrink Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 If it has the availability and price of a KC LE I'll probably cave, hope there is a profile similarity to regular Baker's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richnimrod Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jazz June said: I thought Baker's was made using a different yeast from other Beam products? If that is the case, it would seem that Baker's barrels would not be interchangeable with Knob Creek barrels, but I can't remember where I read that and could easily be wrong. I seem to recall hearing that distillate intended for Baker's Brand was also taken off the still at a lower proof and barreled at a lower proof than other Beam products. I can't recall when or where I came by this info; but, it has been a while since I thought about it, and it MAY have been something I heard (at the distillery or visitor's center? at a seminar?) rather than read. Also, it's been a long time since I came by this... maybe 7+ years? Anybody ever heard or read something along these lines? Col. Cowdery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinjoe Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, Jazz June said: I thought Baker's was made using a different yeast from other Beam products? If that is the case, it would seem that Baker's barrels would not be interchangeable with Knob Creek barrels, but I can't remember where I read that and could easily be wrong. I know that the Old Grand Dad line that has/had a different yeast than standard Beam products. Not sure that is correct at this time. I am not aware of Baker’s having a different yeast. Now realizing that there are a lot of holes in my/our understanding of Beam whiskey specs, I would love a clean up of this by knowledgeable Beam folk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vosgar Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 It's always been my understanding that all Beam bourbons with the exception of OGD and BH were the same mashbill. P.S. - I'm not a knowledgeable Beam folk but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I'm betting that the price on this one ends up making the current Booker's (and KCSB) pricing look like a bargain! Easy pass, for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCwhammie Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, Paddy said: I'm betting that the price on this one ends up making the current Booker's (and KCSB) pricing look like a bargain! Easy pass, for me... Unfortunately I agree with you, Paddy. I feel they'll use that age statement to push it to $125+. I have no basis for that number, it's just a gut feeling. I often get friends asking recommendations for a bottle around $100 to gift. Suntory, Campari, BF, Saz, etc also know the desire is there, so stuff like this is created to meet that desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinjoe Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 11 hours ago, smokinjoe said: I know that the Old Grand Dad line that has/had a different yeast than standard Beam products. Not sure that is correct at this time. I am not aware of Baker’s having a different yeast. Now realizing that there are a lot of holes in my/our understanding of Beam whiskey specs, I would love a clean up of this by knowledgeable Beam folk. SBs archives are awesome. Chuck again, with some really good info on Beam. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinbrink Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 51 minutes ago, smokinjoe said: SBs archives are awesome. Chuck again, with some really good info on Beam. Thanks for digging this up, it explains a lot about the profile differences! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonNit Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 SBs archives are awesome. Chuck again, with some really good info on Beam. This is awesome. I thought I read something that for Booker’s/Bakers and Knob Creek that they do separate batches which use less of the previous batches mash (forgot the term for this) in the brew vs regular JB batches? I don’t recall where I read this and I’m sure the source wasn’t as reputable as Cowdery. Considering Cowdery doesn’t mention it I likely misread it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledInBond Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 hours ago, smokinjoe said: SBs archives are awesome. Chuck again, with some really good info on Beam. It is cool some of the older stuff that can be found. Although, these different proofs off the stills that Chuck was describing may not have been in place at the time that this particular Bakers LE was distilled. Chuck said that was a “recent” change in 2008, and this 13 juice would have had to have been distilled in 2006 or earlier. It would be interesting to find out when the started doing the “wood management” he described and when the proof differences actually started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I checked in with a friend who works at Beam and he told me that as of now Baker's both comes off the still and goes into the barrel at 125. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCWoody Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 20 hours ago, flahute said: I checked in with a friend who works at Beam and he told me that as of now Baker's both comes off the still and goes into the barrel at 125. Do you know when this is ready to hit the market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCWoody Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 I have done 4 barrel picks of KC this year, and have noticed that all the samples are 10 to 11y's old. No more 14y samples, now I know why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCWoody Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 This should be on a different post, but thought I would bring it up. I saw an e-mail from a distributor that said KC 120 SB is going to have a $15 to $20 increase by the end of this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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