What the ......?

[Kjbarth]

I’ll admit I’m no chem geek but I did take some chem in college 40+ yrs ago but this surprised me. I poured some Bookers, took a couple sips, then wanted to how it tasted with a little water added so I dropped in a chip from an ice cube and the chip sank straight to the bottom and stayed until melting. Not what I expected. It’s hard to see in the pic but sitting on the bottom of the glass is the ice chip. 

[Harry in WashDC]

Ice chip made with heavy water?  You know, H3O?

[Old Hippie]

As luck would have it I researched this once before when it happened to me. What I found is that ice has a lower density level than alcohol. Since you are dealing with a barrel proof whiskey you have more alcohol than water. If you add water to the whiskey or made some sort of cocktail  then it would probably float a bit. 

[The Black Tot]

Would be great to know at exactly what ABV at 32 deg F an ice cube rises to the top. That would be a real downproof hack. Or at least some good bar room bullshit.

[Kjbarth]

3 hours ago, Old Hippie said:

As luck would have it I researched this once before when it happened to me. What I found is that ice has a lower density level than alcohol. Since you are dealing with a barrel proof whiskey you have more alcohol than water. If you add water to the whiskey or made some sort of cocktail  then it would probably float a bit. 

Yeah, I googled this after adding my post so I learned something new.

 

[fishnbowljoe]

For some odd reason, this reminds me of an (old) bad joke.

 

Biba! Joe

[B.B. Babington]

density ice about 0.916

if chart in link below is correct, at 80 proof ice floats, and 100 proof it sinks

 

Density of Ethanol Water Mixtures (engineeringtoolbox.com)

[Harry in WashDC]

3 hours ago, The Black Tot said:

Would be great to know at exactly what ABV at 32 deg F an ice cube rises to the top. That would be a real downproof hack. Or at least some good bar room bullshit.

I threw out my Physics and Chem texts in a fit of housecleaning circa 1996, figuring I'd NEVER need them again what with the internet and all.  If I hadn't been sipping on Writers Tears Double Oak (Irish finished in American and French barrels), I'd go looking for the answer on my own.  Too bad I'm not working full time anymore or I'd use work time to FIND the correct formula to SINK ice in some per cent of alcohol.  BUT, this is mine own time, so . . .  

 

I typed <ice sinking in alcohol> and the Internet rewarded me with 120,000 hits.  My faves are explanations from Elmhurst U., Elmhurst (outside Chicago), Illinois, and University of Manitoba (Canada, of course).  It all has to do with the density of water (1.0 grams per cubic centimeter at 70 degrees Fahrenheit and Sea Level (STP!!)) which is heavier per cubic unit than ethyl alcohol (pure, i.e., 200 proof, is 0.79 grams per cubic centimeter @ STP) .

 

SO!  If one adds water to ethyl alcohol drop by drop, the density of that combo will creep upward from 0.79 GPCC @ 70 F  and Sea Level.  About this point, I got distracted by the TV and the Writers Tears I sipping on so I'll leave it to clearer heads to finish this inquiry.  I know there are ways to figure out density at 32 F, but I gave up harassing myself for Lent.  You are on your own.

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by Harry in WashDC

[The Black Tot]

5 hours ago, Harry in WashDC said:

I threw out my Physics and Chem texts in a fit of housecleaning circa 1996, figuring I'd NEVER need them again what with the internet and all.  If I hadn't been sipping on Writers Tears Double Oak (Irish finished in American and French barrels), I'd go looking for the answer on my own.  Too bad I'm not working full time anymore or I'd use work time to FIND the correct formula to SINK ice in some per cent of alcohol.  BUT, this is mine own time, so . . .  

 

I typed <ice sinking in alcohol> and the Internet rewarded me with 120,000 hits.  My faves are explanations from Elmhurst U., Elmhurst (outside Chicago), Illinois, and University of Manitoba (Canada, of course).  It all has to do with the density of water (1.0 grams per cubic centimeter at 70 degrees Fahrenheit and Sea Level (STP!!)) which is heavier per cubic unit than ethyl alcohol (pure, i.e., 200 proof, is 0.79 grams per cubic centimeter @ STP) .

 

SO!  If one adds water to ethyl alcohol drop by drop, the density of that combo will creep upward from 0.79 GPCC @ 70 F  and Sea Level.  About this point, I got distracted by the TV and the Writers Tears I sipping on so I'll leave it to clearer heads to finish this inquiry.  I know there are ways to figure out density at 32 F, but I gave up harassing myself for Lent.  You are on your own.

 

 

I dare ANYONE to unseat this as post of the month.

[GeeTen]

7 hours ago, Harry in WashDC said:

I threw out my Physics and Chem texts in a fit of housecleaning circa 1996, figuring I'd NEVER need them again what with the internet and all.  If I hadn't been sipping on Writers Tears Double Oak (Irish finished in American and French barrels), I'd go looking for the answer on my own.  Too bad I'm not working full time anymore or I'd use work time to FIND the correct formula to SINK ice in some per cent of alcohol.  BUT, this is mine own time, so . . .  

 

I typed <ice sinking in alcohol> and the Internet rewarded me with 120,000 hits.  My faves are explanations from Elmhurst U., Elmhurst (outside Chicago), Illinois, and University of Manitoba (Canada, of course).  It all has to do with the density of water (1.0 grams per cubic centimeter at 70 degrees Fahrenheit and Sea Level (STP!!)) which is heavier per cubic unit than ethyl alcohol (pure, i.e., 200 proof, is 0.79 grams per cubic centimeter @ STP) .

 

SO!  If one adds water to ethyl alcohol drop by drop, the density of that combo will creep upward from 0.79 GPCC @ 70 F  and Sea Level.  About this point, I got distracted by the TV and the Writers Tears I sipping on so I'll leave it to clearer heads to finish this inquiry.  I know there are ways to figure out density at 32 F, but I gave up harassing myself for Lent.  You are on your own.

 

 

Ooo, I just get goosebumps up and down mah arms when you talk all nerdy like that to ME, Harry!   

 

[PhantomLamb]

This is why I love this forum...

[BigRich]

17 hours ago, Harry in WashDC said:

I threw out my Physics and Chem texts in a fit of housecleaning circa 1996, figuring I'd NEVER need them again what with the internet and all.  If I hadn't been sipping on Writers Tears Double Oak (Irish finished in American and French barrels), I'd go looking for the answer on my own.  Too bad I'm not working full time anymore or I'd use work time to FIND the correct formula to SINK ice in some per cent of alcohol.  BUT, this is mine own time, so . . .  

 

I typed <ice sinking in alcohol> and the Internet rewarded me with 120,000 hits.  My faves are explanations from Elmhurst U., Elmhurst (outside Chicago), Illinois, and University of Manitoba (Canada, of course).  It all has to do with the density of water (1.0 grams per cubic centimeter at 70 degrees Fahrenheit and Sea Level (STP!!)) which is heavier per cubic unit than ethyl alcohol (pure, i.e., 200 proof, is 0.79 grams per cubic centimeter @ STP) .

 

SO!  If one adds water to ethyl alcohol drop by drop, the density of that combo will creep upward from 0.79 GPCC @ 70 F  and Sea Level.  About this point, I got distracted by the TV and the Writers Tears I sipping on so I'll leave it to clearer heads to finish this inquiry.  I know there are ways to figure out density at 32 F, but I gave up harassing myself for Lent.  You are on your own.

 

This satisfied five of my nerd levels at once.  Thank you Harry!

[flahute]

50 minutes ago, BigRich said:

This satisfied five of my nerd levels at once.  Thank you Harry!

Same.

[Old Hippie]

18 hours ago, Harry in WashDC said:

I threw out my Physics and Chem texts in a fit of housecleaning circa 1996, figuring I'd NEVER need them again what with the internet and all.  If I hadn't been sipping on Writers Tears Double Oak (Irish finished in American and French barrels), I'd go looking for the answer on my own.  Too bad I'm not working full time anymore or I'd use work time to FIND the correct formula to SINK ice in some per cent of alcohol.  BUT, this is mine own time, so . . .  

 

I typed <ice sinking in alcohol> and the Internet rewarded me with 120,000 hits.  My faves are explanations from Elmhurst U., Elmhurst (outside Chicago), Illinois, and University of Manitoba (Canada, of course).  It all has to do with the density of water (1.0 grams per cubic centimeter at 70 degrees Fahrenheit and Sea Level (STP!!)) which is heavier per cubic unit than ethyl alcohol (pure, i.e., 200 proof, is 0.79 grams per cubic centimeter @ STP) .

 

SO!  If one adds water to ethyl alcohol drop by drop, the density of that combo will creep upward from 0.79 GPCC @ 70 F  and Sea Level.  About this point, I got distracted by the TV and the Writers Tears I sipping on so I'll leave it to clearer heads to finish this inquiry.  I know there are ways to figure out density at 32 F, but I gave up harassing myself for Lent.  You are on your own.

 

That Writer's Tears is sure a fine gram to tipple Harry

[fishnbowljoe]

I agree with PhantomLamb. This is the kind of banter that’s a part of what makes things fun here.

 

Biba! Joe

[geclbxf]

13 hours ago, fishnbowljoe said:

I agree with PhantomLamb. This is the kind of banter that’s a part of what makes things fun here.

 

Biba! Joe

 Probably also serves as a Tater Repellent!!

[BigRich]

55 minutes ago, geclbxf said:

 Probably also serves as a Tater Repellent!!

How great would it be if this was the first thread someone opened and was like "nope, not the place for me"? 

Edited April 16, 2021 by BigRich

[Harry in WashDC]

On 4/14/2021 at 6:44 PM, fishnbowljoe said:

For some odd reason, this reminds me of an (old) bad joke.

 

Biba! Joe

So excited by the other stuff that I totally forgot to ask --

WHAT (OLD) BASD JOKE??  GIVE US SOME HINTS!!

 

Sorry to shout, but the Nats just won on a walkoff HR.