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Well I finally got off my ass and decided to buy some Parafilm to preserve some older bottles of EC.  I know, these bottles are notorious for their lousy corks that leak, break apart, etc. and I should have done this earlier.  But I never expected to still have them after all these years.  The bottles are from 2013 - 2015 with about an even amount of EC12 vs. ECBP

 

Upon yanking them out of the bunker I noticed a distinct difference in volume between the higher proofed ECBP vs. the standard 12 year.  All the ECBP bottles were lower in volume. 

I guess that proof really does make a difference in evaporation over time - at least with these funky corks.  Fortunately only 1 bottle lost about an extra ounce of juice.

 

From now on I will be adding Parafilm to ever bottle in my bunker, because who knows, I may be keeping that bottle in the bunker for decades.  I reckon many of you do the same?

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1 hour ago, robertckim said:

Your post makes me think that I need to worry about this ...

It's directly proportional to the amount of hoarding you do. If the bottles will be drank in the next 2-3 years, then don't worry about it. 

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Hoarding huh?  Funny.  I've bought @ 6 bottles of bourbon in the last 3 years after reaching bourbon zen.  I just pull bottles from my bunker now which I purchased years ago when the good juice was readily available and inexpensive.  It's called foresight.

 

And these bottles are known leakers.  I had one bottle leak in the car as I drove home from the liquor store in 2013. 

 

Good luck finding your bourbon zen without becoming a dreaded hoarder.

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Yes I have parafilm on some of my older EC bottles but not all of them.  Hit and miss.  I guess I need to wrap them all.  Those corks are notorious.  The last corks they used before they changed to the newer bottle style are the worst.  They are fabricated of some weird composite of pressed cork material, or something like that.  The older EC12 bottles are better with natural whole corks.

 

 

 

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On 1/28/2022 at 7:21 PM, kemosabe said:

Well I finally got off my ass and decided to buy some Parafilm to preserve some older bottles of EC.  I know, these bottles are notorious for their lousy corks that leak, break apart, etc. and I should have done this earlier.  But I never expected to still have them after all these years.  The bottles are from 2013 - 2015 with about an even amount of EC12 vs. ECBP

 

Upon yanking them out of the bunker I noticed a distinct difference in volume between the higher proofed ECBP vs. the standard 12 year.  All the ECBP bottles were lower in volume. 

I guess that proof really does make a difference in evaporation over time - at least with these funky corks.  Fortunately only 1 bottle lost about an extra ounce of juice.

 

From now on I will be adding Parafilm to ever bottle in my bunker, because who knows, I may be keeping that bottle in the bunker for decades.  I reckon many of you do the same?

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Nice wrapping. Is this more an EC problem 

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10 hours ago, Kepler said:

 

The older EC12 bottles are better with natural whole corks.

 

 

With the big red "12" on the front???

 

 

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7 hours ago, GeeTen said:

 

With the big red "12" on the front???

 

 

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Showoff!   😄

 

Actually it depends on when it was bottled.  I have some the Big Red 12 bottles that have the crappy pressed material corks and some like yours that are older with the whole natural corks.

The last runs of the Big 12 used the crappy corks...

 

 

 

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On 2/3/2022 at 10:45 PM, kemosabe said:

Hoarding huh?  Funny.  I've bought @ 6 bottles of bourbon in the last 3 years after reaching bourbon zen.  I just pull bottles from my bunker now which I purchased years ago when the good juice was readily available and inexpensive.  It's called foresight.

 

And these bottles are known leakers.  I had one bottle leak in the car as I drove home from the liquor store in 2013. 

 

Good luck finding your bourbon zen without becoming a dreaded hoarder.

Settle down there bud.  Somebody sure is sensitive.  I didn't call anyone a hoarder.  I said that the concern is relational to the amount someone hoards.  It was in response to someone wondering if this was yet another thing to worry about.  In an offhanded way, I was trying to relay that folks don't need more worry in the bourbon hobby.  Take a chill pill. 

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On 1/28/2022 at 7:21 PM, kemosabe said:

From now on I will be adding Parafilm to ever bottle in my bunker, because who knows, I may be keeping that bottle in the bunker for decades.  I reckon many of you do the same?

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This is beautiful.  Mental note to parafilm mine next time I dig 'em out.  I did it with all the screw tops I have (pro tip wrap counterclockwise to avoid opening bottle) but nothing else yet.  

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1 hour ago, BigRich said:

Settle down there bud.  Somebody sure is sensitive.  I didn't call anyone a hoarder.  I said that the concern is relational to the amount someone hoards.  It was in response to someone wondering if this was yet another thing to worry about.  In an offhanded way, I was trying to relay that folks don't need more worry in the bourbon hobby.  Take a chill pill. 

Thanks for the advice big guy.

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You can call it what you want. I just buy a bunch of what I like and plan on drinking. Besides, I’m retired and it ain’t gonna get any cheaper. :lol:

 

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As long as someone is drinking them down at some pace, whether quickly or slowly I see nothing wrong with it.   However those photos you see on Facebook of shelves stacked deep with unopened Weller, ER, BTAC etc can be very annoying.

 

 

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I bought a roll of parafilm years ago, and to Rich's point - only wrapped bottles I figured I wouldn't get to in the next few years.  Back in 2014, came upon a pile of Weller 12 when it was starting to become harder to find, so bought 4-6 bottles so I wouldn't have to worry about SB Blend components.  Knowing I'm blending them in that, I wrapped all but two in parafilm, and still haven't gotten to them.  Same year I ran across 2 bottles GTS on a shelf in Miami (not sure why I didn't buy any lottery tickets??) so bought them both and immediately wrapped one, expecting I might never get another bottle (and hadn't).  Not what I'd call hoarding, but anticipating long-term storage.

 

I have some bottles I hadn't wrapped, bought 4+ years ago, which don't look to have lost anything.  Those ECs might be a problem child in that regard.  I've seen plenty of dusty cork topped bottled of 20+ years with minimal loss.  But also would rather have wrapped my first release ECBPs than get to them in a few years and find they were ruined.  

 

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On 2/8/2022 at 5:06 AM, GaryT said:

I bought a roll of parafilm years ago, and to Rich's point - only wrapped bottles I figured I wouldn't get to in the next few years.  Back in 2014, came upon a pile of Weller 12 when it was starting to become harder to find, so bought 4-6 bottles so I wouldn't have to worry about SB Blend components.  Knowing I'm blending them in that, I wrapped all but two in parafilm, and still haven't gotten to them.  Same year I ran across 2 bottles GTS on a shelf in Miami (not sure why I didn't buy any lottery tickets??) so bought them both and immediately wrapped one, expecting I might never get another bottle (and hadn't).  Not what I'd call hoarding, but anticipating long-term storage.

 

I have some bottles I hadn't wrapped, bought 4+ years ago, which don't look to have lost anything.  Those ECs might be a problem child in that regard.  I've seen plenty of dusty cork topped bottled of 20+ years with minimal loss.  But also would rather have wrapped my first release ECBPs than get to them in a few years and find they were ruined.  

 

Sorry for being a newb with this question - but how does parafilm work?   Member shipped me a bottle from FF winnings, and I appreciated it.   Great for shipping?

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On 2/16/2022 at 11:28 AM, geclbxf said:

Sorry for being a newb with this question - but how does parafilm work?   Member shipped me a bottle from FF winnings, and I appreciated it.   Great for shipping?

It is basically like a wax tape - you wrap around the enclosure to prevent/minimize evaporation in storage, or leakage in transit.  If a bottle has a good seal, it's basically insurance - but if a bottle has a questionable cork, it can help.

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3 hours ago, GaryT said:

It is basically like a wax tape - you wrap around the enclosure to prevent/minimize evaporation in storage, or leakage in transit.  If a bottle has a good seal, it's basically insurance - but if a bottle has a questionable cork, it can help.

TY kind sir - assuming like anything practice makes perfect.

 

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On 1/28/2022 at 8:21 PM, kemosabe said:

Well I finally got off my ass and decided to buy some Parafilm to preserve some older bottles of EC.  I know, these bottles are notorious for their lousy corks that leak, break apart, etc. and I should have done this earlier.  But I never expected to still have them after all these years.  The bottles are from 2013 - 2015 with about an even amount of EC12 vs. ECBP

 

Upon yanking them out of the bunker I noticed a distinct difference in volume between the higher proofed ECBP vs. the standard 12 year.  All the ECBP bottles were lower in volume. 

I guess that proof really does make a difference in evaporation over time - at least with these funky corks.  Fortunately only 1 bottle lost about an extra ounce of juice.

 

From now on I will be adding Parafilm to ever bottle in my bunker, because who knows, I may be keeping that bottle in the bunker for decades.  I reckon many of you do the same?

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Very nice Parafilm work. I've seen much poorer jobs done by professionals.

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