Kepler Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 Yeah. And to clarify my stance, I'm not complaining about $50 for a special 375ml or $100-200 for a great 750ml. I'm complaining about $450. Yes I admit I'm a true hypocrite: because I did bite the bullet for the new RR Single Rickhouse CNF at an astonishing $300! But this CNF is truly an epic pour. But the Generations at $450 is more than a third higher than even that. Where does it end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinjoe Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 This conversation brings back memories of the only time I was ever so truly upset at a price point on a new item that I vented consistently, and swore I would never purchase the bottle in question…and swore off the distillery entirely. 2005 and Wild Turkey Tribute. OUTRAGEOUS!!!, I said. $100!?!?!?! Never!! Even, if it is honoring a legend, Jimmy Russell. Well, tried it…and promptly bought 10 over the next year, or so, and multiple WTs of various labels, and 2 barrels of WTRR Single barrels thereafter…. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 5 hours ago, Kepler said: Where does it end. It ends when people stop paying the price. Simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richnimrod Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Even when very few will pay such prices, it'll still be a money maker for Campari. Much like the little kid with the $10/glass lemonade stand. Don't need to sell many to get into the black. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulO Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 I'm sure someone here knows the answer. I bet the total number of these to be quite small. All the main distillers offer ultra premium brands. Something like WT Generations should be no surprise. I'll be happy to read the review here after one of us gets to try it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markandrex Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, PaulO said: I'm sure someone here knows the answer. I bet the total number of these to be quite small. All the main distillers offer ultra premium brands. Something like WT Generations should be no surprise. I'll be happy to read the review here after one of us gets to try it. According to Rarebird101, 5000 bottles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) On 11/21/2023 at 9:12 PM, flahute said: It ends when people stop paying the price. Simple as that. Well sure, but that's sort of a "Captain Obvious" moment, no? The real question is, at what price will people stop paying? Edited November 23, 2023 by Kepler spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 11/21/2023 at 5:17 PM, smokinjoe said: This conversation brings back memories of the only time I was ever so truly upset at a price point on a new item that I vented consistently, and swore I would never purchase the bottle in question…and swore off the distillery entirely. 2005 and Wild Turkey Tribute. OUTRAGEOUS!!!, I said. $100!?!?!?! Never!! Even, if it is honoring a legend, Jimmy Russell. Well, tried it…and promptly bought 10 over the next year, or so, and multiple WTs of various labels, and 2 barrels of WTRR Single barrels thereafter…. Yeah but was $100 in 2005 the same as $450 in 2023? We'd have to check the inflation numbers I guess... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomLamb Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 On 11/22/2023 at 11:19 PM, Kepler said: Yeah but was $100 in 2005 the same as $450 in 2023? We'd have to check the inflation numbers I guess... This. Not sure how people have cash to burn with price hikes like this. I don’t see the bubble “bursting” in the next 5 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinjoe Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 On 11/22/2023 at 11:19 PM, Kepler said: Yeah but was $100 in 2005 the same as $450 in 2023? We'd have to check the inflation numbers I guess... Probably not, but that is not my point. It was the idea of the huge price, when at that time, BTACs, Pappy’s, etc, were barely clearing $35. So, I get the push back. Not comparing 2005 dollars to 2023 dollars. I understand that the Generations is a “special” release, and WT is certainly pushing the price envelope. Many (including me) will be out. Some, will go in. That is OK all around. Not everything release is meant for everybody. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulO Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 I believe Adam Smith would say something to the effect - if enough people are buying it, the price isn't too high. I understand the sticker shock in the flock too. But that's how it goes with perceived luxury goods. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markandrex Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I’ve seen special releases from Old Forester ($2500) and Joseph Magnus ($1000) recently. I guess the mood is pervasive. All have sold out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markandrex Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 11:31 AM, markandrex said: I bought a $10 ticket today at a local LS. They are getting one bottle in and are raffling it off. 200 tickets are going into the bowl. Drawing is on 12/31/23. For $10, I will roll the dice. I stoped by this LS today and all 200 tickets are sold. They are moving up the drawing to this Friday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markandrex Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) Wow Edited December 6, 2023 by markandrex I have not idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markandrex Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 The bourbon Gods have smiled on me today. Long live The Flock! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgalunas Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 On 11/6/2023 at 6:30 PM, PaulO said: [B]Legacy distillers - release all the overpriced limited stuff you can sell, just don't let it interfere with the flagship brands.[/b] This... Aim high for the idiots. Leave me and the standard offerings alone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meadeweber Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 On 12/8/2023 at 1:29 PM, markandrex said: The bourbon Gods have smiled on me today. Long live The Flock! Congrats and enjoy it!! I'm sure its a quality product and tastes great even though we all like complaining about the price. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markandrex Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, meadeweber said: Congrats and enjoy it!! I'm sure its a quality product and tastes great even though we all like complaining about the price. I am waiting for my son to come home for Christmas to open. I was excited that a $10 ticket turned into this. I had passed on three “offers”-to-purchase for $475 + shipping. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulO Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 15 hours ago, markandrex said: I am waiting for my son to come home for Christmas to open. I was excited that a $10 ticket turned into this. I had passed on three “offers”-to-purchase for $475 + shipping. Got it for purchasing a $10 raffle ticket, opening on Christmas with son - I call post of the year. I'm glad you won it not someone else. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/8/2023 at 1:29 PM, markandrex said: The bourbon Gods have smiled on me today. Long live The Flock! ....and in a 750ml bottle to boot! Nice! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvd99 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 On 12/11/2023 at 12:33 PM, markandrex said: I am waiting for my son to come home for Christmas to open. I was excited that a $10 ticket turned into this. I had passed on three “offers”-to-purchase for $475 + shipping. I'd venture to guess not many of these will ever be opened...good for you when you do, I hope you and your son enjoy it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markandrex Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 The WT-G was a gift from a neighbor that I helped out a few months ago. I almost feel guilty for having two. Nah! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegoz Posted January 17, 2024 Share Posted January 17, 2024 On 12/22/2023 at 2:13 PM, markandrex said: The WT-G was a gift from a neighbor that I helped out a few months ago. I almost feel guilty for having two. Nah! That's the kinda help that suggests you either did something to keep your neighbor out of jail or did something that could land you in jail! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markandrex Posted January 17, 2024 Share Posted January 17, 2024 (edited) 26 minutes ago, stevegoz said: That's the kinda help that suggests you either did something to keep your neighbor out of jail or did something that could land you in jail! I actually showed him and his wife (new neighbors) how to open/close their pool. They had paid $600 to open and had a quote for the same to close. We did it for about $30 in rv winterizer and an hours time. They are a young couple with two little girls and had no idea how easy it is. I just hate seeing people being taken advantage of. Edited January 17, 2024 by markandrex 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzhead Posted September 12, 2024 Share Posted September 12, 2024 On 11/20/2023 at 11:27 PM, flahute said: I don't think there's any appreciable damage though. The only folks they risk damage. with is guys like us but guys like us are in the minority. We've been talking about this for a long time and how all the new blood that keeps coming in wave after wave doesn't know what things used to cost so they think these prices are normal. The fact these bottles sell indicate that. Meanwhile guys like us who are disgusted by the prices still buy WT101, RB and RRSiB. WT is not paying any price. 10 years from now if the situation is reversed and they are now bottling 12 year old whiskey in WT101 are you going to hold a grudge or are you going to happily buy that old whiskey for the 101 price? I know what I will do. Since I've retired I've returned to the $30 - 40 price point for bourbon (I'd been surfin' along with 60-buck pours for a long time.) It's been an easy transition - Rittenhouse Rye BIB for 30 bucks is a lip-smacking steal. I guess that the benign interpretation is that profit extensions into $200-and-up specials allows distilleries to offer $30-and-under bottles like that keeping company right now in my glass. Maybe, But the good old days are still here, even if a bit out of fashion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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