Pappy 23 Dec. 2005 Release - Frankfort Bottling

[ThomasH]

The Pappy 23 was indeed for sale at Red Dot. I also visited Party Source, Cork and bottle, both at the Ohio state line, as well as Liquor barn on Fern Valley rd. near Louisville airport as well as Liquor Depot on Dixie highway in Shively. The only Pappy I found was the 20 along with some ORVW 10/107 and 10/90. the only bottle of the BT antique collection I found was a bottle of WLW at Red Dot.

Thomas

[cas]

Well another bottle of Pappy's 23 showed up on the shelved where I found it for $99. This time however it was $199 - so it looks like I was the benificiary of someone's pricing error.

Craig

[ProofPositive]

looks like I was the benificiary of someone's pricing error.

Craig

I was almost the beneficiary of a pricing error earlier in the evening - although on a much lesser scale than a Pappy 23. A local store had the shelf space and price of WTRR-90 erroneously interchanged with WTRB. All I can say now is 'I tried'.

[cas]

I went back again and the 23 is now going for $289! Wish I could have bought a few more at $99. That's a rather good percent return in a month.

Craig

[Vange]

Obviously this is premature, but does anyone have any idea when the next release of Pappy 23 will be? I think I can still get some near $200 a bottle, but I want to make sure the next release isnt sooner than later.

[ProofPositive]

Obviously this is premature, but does anyone have any idea when the next release of Pappy 23 will be? I think I can still get some near $200 a bottle, but I want to make sure the next release isnt sooner than later.

Based upon the December 2005 and the previous bottlings of Pappy 23, I would venture to guess it will be no sooner than December of this year and more likely to be December of 2007. Only Julian can answer that question with a degree of accuracy. The last I read from him stated that quantities are very, very limited but that the production of all the PFR will continue as planned. Nobody has any idea how much is still left that will eventually become Pappy 23 but my guesstimate is that it cannot be many more barrels.

I read or heard somewhere on the Forum that the December 05 bottling came from barrels that were for the most part still had only about half of the original amount of bourbon placed into them back in 1982. The angels took more than their fair share of that bourbon...but who can blame them?

If you think about it, Julian is sacraficing a good bit of bourbon that could have been bottled at 12, 15 or 20 years in order to bring us the super premium 23. With the limited quantities at his disposal from the S-W stock - and growing more limited with each bottling in the product line, it has taken a lot of dedication on his part. How many others in the industry would sacrafice the angels' share to bring us such a rare bourbon at 23 years of age? I'll go out on a limb and say not many....maybe even none.

All said and done, I would buy all you can afford. The quantity is finite in number and there will be no more once it is gone. I know where there are 4 more bottles in my vicinity. All are $199 and if I had the funds, all would be in my bunker tomorrow!

--Just my 2 cents worth.

[Vange]

Your reply makes me want to run out and get as much Pappy 23 as I can since it will only be around for a limited time. It has to mean something in the future to own some of the oldest aged SW bourbon after it is all gone.

[ProofPositive]

Your reply makes me want to run out and get as much Pappy 23 as I can since it will only be around for a limited time. It has to mean something in the future to own some of the oldest aged SW bourbon after it is all gone.

I would recommend to get at least one. That is where I am and though I would love to stock up on it.....just too many others out there to buy and the dollars will stretch just so far.

[Dmichael]

My wife and good friend just gave me a bottle of PVW 23 year old that has the number 1517 on it with no "A" before it. Can someone tell me if this means it is from a bottleing earlier than the Dec '05?

[Old Lamplighter]

My wife and good friend just gave me a bottle of PVW 23 year old that has the number 1517 on it with no "A" before it. Can someone tell me if this means it is from a bottleing earlier than the Dec '05?

From what I have learned from many more knowledgeable folks on here, you have a pre-Dec 05 bottle. Exactly which one? - Probably only Mr. Julian can tell you for sure. I don't think the bottle number means anything from what I have heard. Has the front label got Frankfort or Lawrenceburg, KY printed on it?. My guess is you have the Dec 03 bottling. I am sure someone here can tell you more than I have....hope this helps.

[bobbyc]

My wife and good friend just gave me a bottle of PVW 23 year old that has the number 1517 on it with no "A" before it.

That should be the first run! Is the glass Green? I think there were 3000 of those and the next bottling (clear glass) was 900-1000.

[Dmichael]

No the glass is not green. It looks just like pictures I've seen of bottles on ebay and other places tha have the 'A' before the number. Clear glass

[Dmichael]

The bottom of the label says Lawrenceburg on it.

I've enjoyed Congnac for years and really tried to like Scotch but just couldn't get past the peat. I tried Bourbon about 10 months ago thinking it would be like Scoth. Boy was I blown away. So I'm a newbie but can't wait to try this. I'm from up in Maine. This stuff looks like the very dark maple syrup we make up here.

[TNbourbon]

...Has the front label got Frankfort or Lawrenceburg, KY printed on it?...

This is the key question -- there was only one Pappy 23 bottling from Lawrenceburg, in 1999, which numbered about 3,000 bottles. I purchased 2505 and 2508 here in Tennessee.

That should be the first run! Is the glass Green? I think there were 3000 of those and the next bottling (clear glass) was 900-1000.

I think Julian has said the total for the Dec. 2003 bottling was in the 1,100s -- so a higher number is either a random stray (e.g., from the single barrel Julian did for bars/restaurants between the 2003 and 2005 issues), or the earlier Lawrenceburg bottling.

By the way, the 'green glass' was very lightly tinted, so that I didn't notice mine was such until I heard others mention it, and compared it in direct light side-by-side next to a clear one.

And, for whatever it's worth, I've never had bourbon better than that Lawrenceburg Pappy 23 bottling. Maybe a couple have approached or equalled it, but none was better.

[dgonano]

If you hold the bottle up to a light , you can see the green tint . It has to be the first bottling.

I have a bottle #1112 from the 1st Frankfort run. I believe Julian said the numbers started at #100 or so .

[Dmichael]

You guys are right. :bowdown: I just held it up in bright light and the glass does have a slight green tint that I did not realize before. The label does say it's from Lawrenceburg so it must be the first bottleing. You guys are making it very hard to open this up on New Years Eve which is/was the plan. Any idea how 'collectible' these first batch bottles will become?

Thanks for your help.

Dana

[TNbourbon]

...Any idea how 'collectible' these first batch bottles will become?..

There are any number of people on this forum who would like to 'collect' it right now (you'll be hearing from some of them, I suspect, if you haven't already:grin:) -- and then open it up and drink it!:yum: Have a Happy New Year!:toast:

[srcleary]

My wife and good friend just gave me a bottle of PVW 23 year old that has the number 1517 on it with no "A" before it. Can someone tell me if this means it is from a bottleing earlier than the Dec '05?

HEY. I'm the good friend that helped buy this. Now reading all these posts, maybe i should have kept it! :smiley_acbt: Just kidding.... Merry Christmas Dmichael!

And yeah, let's have a "Pappy" New Year.

[Dmichael]

Thanks Steve.

One final note; We will be enjoying this on New Years Eve which just happens to be my anniversary. Yes my wife and I were married on New Years Eve 1983, which just happens to be 23 years ago.

Everyone have a happy and safe New Years.

[darkluna]

Now that's what I call kismet....Congratulations!

Thanks Steve.

One final note; We will be enjoying this on New Years Eve which just happens to be my anniversary. Yes my wife and I were married on New Years Eve 1983, which just happens to be 23 years ago.

Everyone have a happy and safe New Years.

[OscarV]

Here it is again. It worked originally, but seems to have a duplicated string of characters now (I think these new forums may use a different naming protocol, too), and I get a "your post is too short" message when I try to correct it:

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4086

I saw this old post with the link to your reviews of Pappy 23.

One review was of the rye bottling and the other was of the wheater.

I must have missed something along the way, I thought all of the Van Winkles were wheaters.

Was this a one time thing? The rye that is.

Are any other Van Winkles that on the current market have rye as the small grain?

[Virus_Of_Life]

I'd link you to the info, but don't feel like searching for it right now. SO IIRC, the first Pappy20 and 23 (L'burg bottlings) were both Rye Recipe from different distilleries. The 20 was from Boone and Julian isn't telling where 23 was from, others smarter and more knowledged than myself have ideas where but I haven't heard anything mentioned. So in short if you see either of the 20 or 23 year Pappy from Lawrenceburg there is Rye recipe bourbon in it. As I have read from Tim the 23 was some of the greatest stuff ever bottled.

Some extensive searching would lead to you to more detailed info I am sure...