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Dave,

You mave mentioned it before but I don't remember, who was the Master Distiller at Kinsey when you were there?

Joe :usflag:

Joe took me a day or so but wanted to check my Information again! First when I worked at Kinsey the stills DSP # 12 & #10 were shut down so I do not right now know who the Master Distiller was in Philadelphia at DSP#1 but when Kinsey reopened in Fall 1933 Jacob G Kinsey Was the Master Distiller till fall 1939 and after Publicker Bought it fall 1939. From Fall 1939 the Master Distiller was Horace Landis the father of Al Landis Mr Kinsey's great Nephew I have met when I spoke about Kinsey. Horace ran the Still as master Distiller till early 1951 when it was shut down by Publicker and all Distilling done at DSP #1 Philadelphia. I just talked to my 90 year Old Friend Ludy to make sure I had this right and he said this is right. Ludy as I have said started there in 1936 for Mr Kinsey and worked there till 1980 or 81! One last note after DSP # 12 shut down Mr Horace Landis the Master Distiller stayed on as a security man because Continental wanted someone to keep an eye on people to keep them from drinking when they were not suposed to and later retired from Kinsey! Not only did Mr Horace Landis's Son Al now 90 work there, but Al's Son Ken same age as me worked there when I did and was and is a friend of mine!

Dave Z

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dave ziegler

I think one of the biggest mistakes Continental made in the last few years before Mr Neuman died was the tearing out of the traditional barrel racks in all the Explosion proof Warehouses and going to the stacking of Barrels of Whiskey in piles standing up. They had their Coopers plant in Del county making all those 300 gal giant wood Barrels and as Ludy who was a cooper many years told me they leaked so darn bad, and the whiskey was much better with the barrel on its side to get maxium flowing on the charred stays of the barrels. Ludy said it was really hard trying to tighten the hoops on those Big Barrels and it took 2 to 3 People to move them on the pile. When I took Phils fan and Fricky through Kinsey we saw one of those Old 300 gal. Barrel hoops laying with scrap down where one of the old Steer pens had been. When I go to Kinsey it is like walking through a old scrap book I see what was and not what is. I see the things of old through memories in my Mind and everytime I go there I remember something else from the past. In the old days Kinsey was always buying old cars to have a supply to be able to travel the plant and some of the cars I remember are--Bonda's 1951 Pylmouth savoy, the 3 1941 Ford Flat trucks, the 1951 Ford Pickup we used on the yard gang, a 1955 Dodge flat truck to take crews from warehouse to warehouse. Also an old Caddy around 1954, Charlies old ford frame with a pickup back on it. And the old 1953 White super power truck that had Therm Ice Division of Publicker Ind on the tractor and the trailer that brought barrels full of whiskeys every week to be put in racks or the big ones stacked on piles. A man Named Joe drove up each week with the loads and one time he showed me how to back a tractor trailer in then let me do it. I later in my Life became a truck driver for about 20 yrs. And sitting as shown in one of my pictures is the old 1958 Ford truck parked next to the Bottling house as if it is waiting to be loaded to haul stuff around the plant it was parked never to run again and on the door in faded letters it says Continental Distilling Corp Linfield, Pa Division of Publicker Ind! When I look at it I think how can kinsey sit like this passed over and in ruin. One Night the truck was parked key put away and it never was started again and sat while endless Kids smashed it and other things not caring of the history and with no knowledge of what a great place Kinsey was for 600 People that worked there!

Dave Z

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cowdery

Dave,

I don't know if you've seen this before, but I knew you would want to.

The Johnsons are long-time distributors out of Minnesota, affiliated by family ties with Philips, a Minnesota producer. But apparently they did big business with Kinsey back in the day.

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dave ziegler
Dave,

I don't know if you've seen this before, but I knew you would want to.

The Johnsons are long-time distributors out of Minnesota, affiliated by family ties with Philips, a Minnesota producer. But apparently they did big business with Kinsey back in the day.

Wow Chuck Thank you very Much that is very interesting and I had never heard of or knew about them Now I am hoping to try and get the Picture of that truck off the web somehow! I really thank you for that, I sure do not know everything about Kinsey and anytime I find out something it is great. I am always happy to find new interesting things about people who handled Kinsey Products

Thanks again Chuck and BE WELL--!

Dave Z

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dave ziegler

Many Thanks to Chuck Cowdery for finding the story about Johnson Bros as I was able to get this Picture from the page of a 1953 Chevy truck with Old Hickory & Kinsey on it as they distributed Continental's Products. I am also going to call them to see if I can buy a good copy of this picture for my History Collection as I do not have any pictures of trucks with Continentals Distilling Brands. I would think being out in Minn that they got there stocks from our Bottling house in Lemont IL. And we were a faily Big name out there! Also a New Motto I did not know about " Join The Swing To Kinsey"

Again Thanks Much Chuck I admit I was excited seeing this truck Picture and the story. I have written many times to the Lemont IL Historic Society and even sent them Continental brand Bottles which they were very Happy to have but they Never got back to me with any Information about our Bottling House out there other then to tell me it was a fairly big one not near as big as Kinsey but a large one!

Dave Z

Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey

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Join The Swing To Kinsey

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dave ziegler

Went back to Kinsey this weekend and got some more Pictures here are some pictures of the old grain building this was the last one to process before it went to be distilled.

Pictures one through eight are of the machinery in the building worm gears and vats and picture 9. is the front side of the grain building facing the spot where DSP Pa. #12 Stood

Picture 10 close up of a grain vat in the building

Picture 11 looking from the grain building to where the old Tunnel used to be at the bottom of the still

Picture 12 Looking where DSP Pa #12 used to stand

Picture 13. is the side of the grain building

Picture 14. is where the trains came in from the bridge over the river to the Bottling house and the warehouses

Picture 15. is the side of the 1966 Bottling house looking from the grain building

I have alot more pictures to post including ones from DSP Pa. #10 and the Old Bottling house I will be posting later this week.

Note if you look close to Picture five you can see where one worm gear crosses and drops grain into the one going to where the still stood.

Dave Z

Old hickory America's most Magnificent Bourbon

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Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey

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dave ziegler

Here are some new pictures from Kinsey of The Old DSP-Pa. 10 Rye Building where they distilled Kinsey Rye and Rittenhouse Rye after Continental bought Kinsey these are more of the pictures I took last Sat in there. There are some shots with stencil writting on the wood beams and Ladder.

Shots 1 through 3 are the wooden Platforms for the Still tanks

Shot 4 says Quick aged Whiskey

Shot 5 Says Kinsey

shot 6 says Kinsey DSP 10 Rye Whiskey

shot 7 states bonded Loaded by cio 163 Union

shot 8 looked to be an early dump trouth it runs under the floor to the old Bottling house

shot 9.the far wall with pipes

shot 10 more of the Platforms to tanks

shot 11 more tank platforms

shot 12 Says quick aged Whiskey on a beam above

I have lots more shots from this trip including crawing into the old Bottle house and old warhouse out front I will post more soon. One more quick note The Kinsey Dsp-Pa -10 Rye Still was a old Barn as you can see by the walls that was built around 1892 by Jacob Kinsey!

Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

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It seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory

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Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey

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Join The Switch To Kinsey

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Dave Z

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fricky

Dave,

Do you know what was meant by "Quick aged Whiskey" in photograph #4?

Doug

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mozilla

From what I remember, Kinsey did a lot of experimentation within their giant complex. They made every type of alcohol and bottled every style there in.

Some of the whiskies they produced used wood chips and cross members to add surface area to the chared wood. Kinsey had their own cooperage and at least three facilities making parts for their barrels. The Kinsey family was very industrious and far reaching in those days. They were "in deep" in the biz. They went in full force in any endevour that could possibly leverage their weight in the industry.

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fricky

Did they heat the aging warehouses to accelerate aging?

Doug

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mozilla

I believe so....IIRC, Dave has some pics of the heating units. I remember alot of lines running through some of the buildings.

From what I have learned from Dave....these fellas at Publicker/Continental weren't just on the ball...they were a Power Player on the scene for volume and innovation. They were really ahead of the curve in light whisky...before it was set to be released by the ATF for distribution...they sold a large amount to BF to become their Frost 8/80, which was supposed to revolutionize the bar biz. A whisky that could be used like a rum or vodka. All light whisky and such were big flops. But, none the less Publicker made that sale of product to BF and it was 8yr old at the time...now that's being ahead by more than a few years.

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dave ziegler

After Prohibition Publicker had a Lab Director who was a specailist in making Quick Light Whiskey, it was Publickers thinking that if this was going to be a big thing they would start rightaway. It did not but as with many things they were there right at the begining coming around the first curb! I have to look up in my Information book and Get his name as I have it somewhere! Mr Neuman was always doing things at the beginning and not afraid to try something new! He was one of the very first to petition the Gov to be able send whiskey Barrels to Scotland to be filled with Scotch. Here are some Pictures I took the other week of the old Wood and Brick warehouse behind the Dsp-pa-10 rye still and some pictures inside the Old Kinsey Bottling house where they Bottled Liquor's till 1979!

Note Picture 9 a Old time Dump Trouth under the wreckage of the part of the Bottling house that Kids set on Fire at one time. Says Dump Trouth. Pic 1 is the rails to roll Barrles from the old warehouse to Old Bottle house or to roll them from the still to be put in the racks pic 2,3,4,5,6 Old Wood racks in Old Warehouse behind Old Bottle house. Pic 7,8, tanks in Old Bottle house Anionic & Cationic

Pic 10 & 11 first floor of the old Kinsey Bottle house

Pic 12 note trap door from second floor where cases used to be sent down to put bottles back in on first floor after they were filled!

Pic 13 farthest Back room of old bottle house on first floor right at the road out front.

Pic 14 Warehouse beside the Old Bottling house.

I still have some Plant pictures from the Latest trip there and plan on going back soon!

Dave Z

Old hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

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It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory

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fricky

Is it safe to assume that "quick light whiskey" was lower proof whiskey aged for a shorter time?

Doug

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mozilla

Light whisky is distilled at a higher proof than bourbon whisky standards. It starts to impeed on the vodka/gns regulations.

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dave ziegler

Here are some more of the pictures I took at Kinsey the other week Plus I went to See my 90 Year Old Friend Ludy today and he found the Original Aerial Photo given Him By His boss Mr Bill Theodois Of Continental Distilling in the 1950's, of when Mr Kinsey Had The Original taken of the plant in 1937 the first one I copied was the 1937 One Continental used after they bought Kinsey given Employees in 1940 Take note the Original Has Mr Kinsey's Philadelphia Office Adress on the bottom the other Picture that Continental used after buying Kinsey has that croped off! Pic 2 Is where the Trains came in frome the Kinsey Rail Bridge over the river. Pic 3. The Old house Out front that Company man George Dill Lived in for Many years and the Plant Nurse that drank Bourbon in her Coffee had her office in a couple of rooms on the ground floor in. pic 4. Grain Buildings. Pic 5. Grain Silo, Pic 6. Back side of Warehouse H which was being built in 1937 on the Kinsey Picture. 7.Another side of Building H. 8.Looking up through the Plant. 9. Sign on Building M. 10. Front water tower. 11. & 12. Water Distilling equipment Building O. 13.The Pine Tree I used to mulch back when I worked in the yard gang that was a tiny tree back then. 14.15. 16. Pictures of the warehouse's. I looked up the artical I had about Light Whiskey's it states Light whiskey's are darker then Scotch, Paler then Bourbon Distilled at High Proof and cut to and sold at 80 to 86 Proof . Very Smooth and and Highly drinkable flavor Like a Good Canadian Whiskey can be aged in New or Used Barrels like Scotch and Light Whiskey can be used to cut Blended Whiskeys instead of Neutrol's. This is a old Artical from 1968 I have and they where talking about them becoming available that year. That I guess would be what the Quick Whiskey Idea had in mind but back in the Late 1930's after Prohibition Continental Had a scientist working on fast aging of Whiskey I am still looking for the artical I Have with the Scientists name on it but Publicker / Continental was working on it back long before the 1960'd Light Whiskey times.

Dave Z

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Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

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fricky

Dave,

The chemist was probably Dr. Carl Haner. He is referenced in John and Linda Lipman's review of Continental Distilling Corporation, Publicker Industries, Inc. It is very interesting. Got to:

www.ellenjaye.com/pub_publicker.htm

Doug

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dave ziegler
Dave,

The chemist was probably Dr. Carl Haner. He is referenced in John and Linda Lipman's review of Continental Distilling Corporation, Publicker Industries, Inc. It is very interesting. Got to:

www.ellenjaye.com/pub_publicker.htm

Doug

Yes Fricky That is Him I had an old Continental Paper somewhere and that is the Man they talked about Doing the tests for Quick & Light Whiskey! Thanks That saves me ripping everything apart to try and find the artical. Not sure Where I put it.He was suposed to be a genious in Science Work but Nothing after that is ever said of Him. As Jeff said Publicker / Continental Distilling was way ahead of everyone in trying stuff. They were the first to ask the Gov let to them use Barrels from Whiskey to make scotch . Shipping them to their plant in Scotland After the Whiskey was dumped. Light Whiskey as I said was also suposed to be used in Blended Whiskey instead of Neutrol Spirits. They where going to cut its Proof with water and sell it at about 80 to 86 Proof. It was supposed to be very easy to sit and drink highly smooth would just roll right down. Old Crow had one they where going to bring out in 1968 called Old Crow Light!

Dave Z

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Jono

Dave, is this in the area of Kinsey?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410508,00.html

Government Officials Confirm Cancer Cluster Within 20-Mile Stretch of Pennsylvania

Between Hazelton and Tamaqua...80 mi NW of Philly....in area of Superfund sites.

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mozilla

No. Kinsey was about half way back towards Phili.

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dave ziegler
Dave, is this in the area of Kinsey?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410508,00.html

Government Officials Confirm Cancer Cluster Within 20-Mile Stretch of Pennsylvania

Between Hazelton and Tamaqua...80 mi NW of Philly....in area of Superfund sites.

Kinsey is about 50 to 60 miles from there on the River in Linfield pa. There is very Little Polution there other then some antifreeze and Asbestos There is some stuff on the river bank that came from the Metal manufactures up in Pottstown and Reading from the 1972 Flood but nothing real bad at all at Kinsey! When I worked there we were told put nothing in the ground or the river and we never Did!

Dave Z

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fricky

I am attaching a few interesting items concerning Angelo Myers Distillery and Kinsey. The first two are of a post card showing an artist's rendition of The Angelo Myers Distillery in Linfield, PA. There is no date on the card; however, the card had to be produced between 1907 and 1915. The third is a photograph of The Angelo Myers Distillery Philadelphia Office at 311-313 N. Third Street. The photograph is from: Engelhardt, George Washington, Philadelphia Pennsylvania, The Book of Its Bourse & Co-operating Bodies, Philadelphia, Lippincott Press, 1898-99., p. 239. I don't understand the relationship between Angelo Myers Distillery and Kinsey Distillery.

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I am attaching a few interesting items concerning Angelo Myers Distillery and Kinsey. The first two are of a post card showing an artist's rendition of The Angelo Myers Distillery in Linfield, PA. There is no date on the card; however, the card had to be produced between 1907 and 1915. The third is a photograph of The Angelo Myers Distillery Philadelphia Office at 311-313 N. Third Street. The photograph is from: Engelhardt, George Washington, Philadelphia Pennsylvania, The Book of Its Bourse & Co-operating Bodies, Philadelphia, Lippincott Press, 1898-99., p. 239. I don't understand the relationship between Angelo Myers Distillery and Kinsey Distillery.

Hey Fricky can you e Mail me the Angelo Myers office Picture it is something I have never seen. and would love to print it and put it on the wall with my collection! I have a copy of the Post card I got from the Historic Society here in Limerick It was in the years you spoke of and is not completely right in its grapics but very close to how it looked! Artists tend to get carried away and change things a little to suit themselfs but it is almost exactly how it was layed out then. From what I have read lately It seems Angelo Myers was a Liquor Merchant and he must have left Mr Kinesy Use his name at that time being well known as Mr Kinsey Always owned the Plant till He sold to Publicker in late 1939. My Wooden Whiskey case from 1909 says both Angelo Myers and Kinsey Distillery.

Dave Z

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fricky

Hi Dave,

I can send a copy to your home e-mail address, if you give it to me. Otherwise, you could print a copy of the picture posted here by right clicking on it. I am trying to learn the relationship between Angelo Myers and Kinsey. Was Kinsey a master distiller that worked for Myers or did Myers simply buy his whiskey and sell it as if they distilled it? Do you have any additional documentation concerning that relationship?

Doug

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dave ziegler

Fricky I am going to call Kinsey's 90 yr old Nephew Al Landis and ask him what he knows about Angelo Myers hopefully he can help but there is one thing I know for sure as Al Landis and Ludy who both worked there after Prohibition for Mr Kinsey Have Told Me Jacob G Kinsey was always the master Distiller till Continental Distilling bought the Place Then Al Landis his Nephew became the Master Distiller!

Dave Z

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fricky

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the information. I look forward to any additional information you learn concerning Angelo Myers.

Doug

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