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Geo
04-20-2005, 15:15
Is it really worth spending $45 for this versus $27 for the 10 year old? I just bought a few bottles of Old Grand Dad 114 and really appreciate the barrel proof heat, but a nice smooth lasting carmel finish. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

Is Pappy that much better? I prefer a hot bourbon like George T Stagg and Bookers, but I cannot find Stagg and Bookers is a little too pricey.

lakegz
04-20-2005, 16:28
I havent tried the 10yo, but the nose of the 15 is really my favorite and my most easily distinguishable of the 10 bottles I have. It is a hefty 107 proof but it sure doesnt smell that way at all to me. If you want a cheaper hotter bourbon, try Wild Turkey Rare Breed. Its not the hottest tasting bourbon, but it has a great hotness/soft-flavor balance with a little crisp rye in there (which the pappy doesnt have) and it sells for around 30 dollars.

bluesbassdad
04-20-2005, 20:32
Strictly speaking, I don't think there is such a thing as 10 y/o Pappy.

Here's (http://www.oldripvanwinkle.com/newbs/vw/website3.nsf/wProducts?readForm&t=Products) the current line up.

Unless I've missed a news bulletin to the contrary, the 10 y/o still carries the "Old Rip Van Winkle" name, whether 90 proof or 107 proof.

The former Old Rip Van Winkle 15 y/o (107 proof) has now been replaced by the Pappy Van Winkle's Family Reserve 15 y/o (107 proof).

That nit alone would not be enough to keep me from voting. However, I have yet to taste the PVWFR 15 y/o, which some claim differs significantly from the bottling it replaced.

Back when ORVW 10 y/o and 15 y/o were both available, I first preferred the 10 y/o. Later I came to find that I liked the 15 y/o as well, if not better. Then I learned that somewhere along the line the supply of Stitzel-Weller bourbon for the 10 y/o bottling had run out, replaced by bourbon from the Bernheim distillery.

Now I have no idea whether my change in preference was due to a change in my taste or the change in the bourbon.

As confused as I am at this point, I think I should abstain from voting for that reason alone.

BTW, given your stated preference for so-called "hot" bourbons, I would be surprised if any of the Van Winkle line turn out to be to your liking. Hot it is not (at least among the bottlings I've tried), even at 107 proof.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Geo
04-21-2005, 13:37
Thanks Gents. I am really liking the Old Grand Dad 114. And for $25 it is a great bargin for a Barrel Proof bourbon.

One day I will have to pick up a bottle of the Pappy Van Winkle Reserve 15 yr old 107. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drinking.gif

nysquire
04-21-2005, 17:56
Absolutely the 15yo is my favorite. I just bought the last 5 bottles(squat bottles) that were on the shelf.That is the ORVW 15yo and I found 2 of the ORVW 10yo 107 proof as well and took them home. The 10yo has the VanWinkle appeal, but the 15yo has more wood, a cleaner finish and makes you want to drink more.... As for the replacement PVW 15yo family reserve, not even close to the ORVW 15yo... If I were you, I'd buy up all of the squat bottles you could get. But that's just my opinion.... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

tmas
04-21-2005, 18:31
If you like a hot bourbon with complexity try Baker's. I love it neat. As for the ORVW 15 yr squat bottle, I voted for it! It's great stuff, and I see the discussion continues as to whether or not the Pappy 15 yr Founders Reserve differs or not. The general consensus of the tasting notes by folks who have tried it that I've seen say very different bourbons. When I emailed Van Winkle, Julian responded to my email and said it's the same bourbon in a different bottle. I took the same tack as one of the other folks who responded to your post, I just bought 6 of the squat bottles of the 15 yr.

nysquire
04-21-2005, 20:04
I had gotten the same response from Julian as well, and I emailed him again, asking why the difference in taste if it is just a bottle change and I have not heard back from him. There is a big difference in the 2 bourbons..There were 5 of us when we opened the bottle of 15yo family reserve to try it and all agreed a big difference. After that tasting is what prompted me to go buy up all of the ORVW 15yo I could find.....

tmas
04-21-2005, 21:07
Well I don't know, maybe same recipe different source? ...or different years? ...or batches? All I know is, like you, I've taken action to protect my nose and taste buds!...I got me 6 lovely little squat bottles of 15 yr. and I am considering picking up some more, just never can have enough of your favorite bourbon can you! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

dhooch
04-24-2005, 20:18
I have been going rounds with ORVW 15 yo, 107 proof in the squat bottle and Rock Hill Farms bourbon. I love them both. Now I wished I had bought all the ORVW bottles when I had the chance. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif

jburlowski
03-27-2007, 17:15
Definitely the 15!

ThomasH
03-27-2007, 17:18
I would get a bottle of ORVW 10/107 along with either of the15/107 bottlings. The 10/107 isn't much more than the 10/90 and it would be fun to compare it to the OGD 114!

Thomas

TNbourbon
03-27-2007, 18:34
Well, not sure I understand the choice, which is probably why I've never made one. When this thread/poll began, the Pappy 15 didn't exist -- instead it was ORVW 15/107. A Pappy 10yo has NEVER existed.
So, if we're comparing the ORVW 15/107 with either the ORVW 10/107 or 10/90, give me the 15yo. If it's today's Pappy 15 vs. ORVW 10/107, give me the younger version. If we're talking the Pappy 15 and ORVW 10/90 -- well, then I'll split the difference (in age AND price) and buy the 12yo Lot B.

heatmiser
03-27-2007, 19:22
I managed to finally get a bottle of the highly regarded ORVW15. I have had plenty of the PVW15 (still do) and was excited to compare the two head to head. I did so last evening and all I can say is there is virtually no difference. I think I remember Julian stating in an earlier thread that the contents are the same but packaged in different bottles. This sure seems to be the case...

DrinkyBanjo
03-28-2007, 06:37
Others swear there is a big difference but I could barely tell the two apart. To me there was a very, VERY, minor difference between the two but nothing to lose sleep over. PVW 15 is okay by me.

nor02lei
03-28-2007, 13:46
I have only had 2 pours of Pappy 15.One in Sweden that I thought tasted a bit older and woodier than ORVW. The other was in Bardstown on Bettye Jos party and that tasted as usual. I donít like the 90 proof version of the 10 years at all but if itís the 107 I would say itís almost a tie and the mode decides with I prefer at the moment. However if I have to shoes one it would be the 10-year.

Leif

full_proof
03-28-2007, 20:50
Strictly speaking, I don't think there is such a thing as 10 y/o Pappy. * * * As confused as I am at this point, I think I should abstain from voting for that reason alone. * * *

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

I think I'm confused too, or perhaps infused with too much bourbon....:slappin: I can't vote either as finding a 15-YR Pappy has proved elusive. But one can't go wrong with anything bottled with a Van Winkle name. I've had their straight rye, the 10 & 15-year ORVW, and the Lot B. All have proven to be superb! I'm soon to acquire the PVW 20 in the next few weeks.

cowdery
03-28-2007, 23:56
This may be our first poll with a trick question.

TimmyBoston
03-29-2007, 01:19
15, No contest. Much, Much better than the 10.

TimmyBoston
03-29-2007, 01:20
This may be our first poll with a trick question.

I hope it was vs. ORVW 10 107, if there's a Pappy 10, it's news to me.

cowdery
03-29-2007, 02:42
There's a Pappy Ten only in Pappy Heaven, where there's a Pappy Everything.