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cowdery
05-20-2005, 13:49
Let me be the first. It's coming this fall and surely will be at the gazebo.

TNbourbon
05-20-2005, 14:06
That's surely interesting. Can you divulge (if you know) the grain percentages of the mashbill? Taste profile? Comparisons to other 'wheater' bourbons?

Gillman
05-20-2005, 14:37
I await the answers too (although one surely is, a straight wheat whiskey must be at least 51% wheat in the mash) but want to say this, this is great for whiskey and its traditions. Wheat whiskey was a constant in the time up to Prohibition, there were "white" (young) versions and older ones. Good to see it back. Kudos to the Schapiras, Beams and all the team at Heaven Hill for trying something different but (at the same time) harking back to tradition.

Gary

Barrel_Proof
05-20-2005, 14:38
Can you divulge (if you know) the grain percentages of the mashbill? Comparisons to other 'wheater' bourbons?

Do note, this is wheat whiskey, not a wheated bourbon, so we know that the mashbill includes at least 51 percent wheat and that there are currently no other wheat whiskies to which it can be compared.

musher
05-20-2005, 14:44
Is it safe to guess that this is coming to us thanks to Heaven Hill (since their distillery in Louisville bears the same name)?

Gillman
05-20-2005, 14:49
Yes, Mike, this is a Heaven Hill release.

Gary

jeff
05-20-2005, 16:30
there are currently no other wheat whiskies to which it can be compared.




True, but this will serve as a nice counterpoint to rye whiskey and heavily ryed bourbons. I can't wait to try it. Any information on price point or availability?

TNbourbon
05-20-2005, 17:03
...Do note, this is wheat whiskey, not a wheated bourbon...



I did, indeed, note that -- but as it will be the only one of its type, the only comparison extant seems to me to be wheated bourbons. Not clear was my reference to 'other...', by which I meant 'other wheated', not 'other bourbons'.

cowdery
05-20-2005, 21:39
It is "barely legal" at 51 percent wheat, 39 percent corn and 10 percent malted barley. It is five summers old and will be bottled at 90 proof. It will start appearing in August/September initially in Kentucky, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York and Colorado.

Tasting notes to come.

brian12069
05-21-2005, 09:39
I would love to try this.

cas
05-23-2005, 04:25
I'm glad that SC is among them, but how are these states chosen?
Also, while bourbon, by law, has to be at least 51% corn, is the grain proportion of other whiskies specified?
Craig

TNbourbon
05-23-2005, 05:29
To be "bourbon", "rye" or "wheat" whiskey, the minimum for the naming grain must be at least 51%, but it can (and often is) more than that. So, no, only the minimum is specified. There are many different mashbills within each variety, but all must only meet the mininum specification for the naming grain.
To be "straight" it also must also be aged in new, charred oak barrels for at least 2 years.

jeff
05-23-2005, 12:04
Here's a photo of the actual bottle, sent to me by Larry Kass of Heaven Hill.

Rughi
05-23-2005, 13:58
So,
The big question is: will civilians be able to purchase this wheatier wheat in mid-September - say the 14th-18? Because I didn't notice California listed as one of the anointed states.

I'd hate to come all that way, virtually to the source, only to find it was for tasting only, and not for sale until a few weeks later.

-Roger

bourbonmed
05-23-2005, 14:20
Jeff/Chuck:

Is it similar or identical to the Pogue bottle?
Omar

jeff
05-23-2005, 14:40
Omar,

From the picture it looks to me to be more similar to the Woodford Reserve bottle. Look out! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/skep.gif

cowdery
05-23-2005, 15:24
I've only seen the same pictures you all have seen, but this seems to be a straight-sided flask-type bottle, whereas the Pogue bottle is tapered, if I remember correctly.

I believe Bourbon Festival attendees will be able to buy all they want at Toddy's and other local purveyors. You can even contact Guthrie (at Toddy's) in advance and ask him to hold some for you. It should be available throughout Kentucky by mid-September, wherever you choose to shop.

As for other states, I'm sure it's all about supply and demand. They want to see how it does in the initial states and how well their supply holds up before they start to offer it in other markets. Since this is a relatively young product and since they have been making it steadily since the first batch, unless it goes through the roof in the initial markets they'll probably roll it out further soon enough. As for when, where and how soon, it's not that they aren't saying, it's that they don't know. It all depends on what happens in the initial release states.

koji
05-27-2005, 05:53
I didn't know when it was coming out so I didn't really know when to put
this picture up, and I kind of forgot about it, I interviewed Craig Beam at
Bernheim in 2003.Sep.17th and he showed me this sample bottle.
On the bottle it says 2000.Jan.10, it was very rich in color and taste for a
whiskey that young he told me it was 125 proof 51% wheat, aged all in
Bardstown, and hopefully the product will be 5~6years when it was coming
out as a product.
I know this one is not gonna make it to the Japanese market, this was one
goood whiskey(well at barrel proof it was)Can't wait till September.

Koji

BourbonJoe
05-27-2005, 12:05
Gary,
I agree with your statement about praises for Heaven Hill. I, for one am anxiously awaiting the release. Since I live in Pennsylvania, I'll let you all know when it hits our shelves.
Joe http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif

cowdery
05-27-2005, 14:11
That's the stuff. The first batch was 129 barrels made in January of 2000.

I have a little more information. The suggested retail price for Bernheim Original Wheat Whiskey will be $39.99.

camduncan
05-27-2005, 17:46
This sounds intriguing - I can't wait to sample it.
Does anyone know if it will eventually be marketed internationally?

bobbyc
05-27-2005, 19:30
The suggested retail price for Bernheim Original Wheat Whiskey will be $39.99.




Proud of it, aren't they. So far I'm only intrigued enough to want a taste,I'll make up my mind after that.

Barrel_Proof
05-28-2005, 05:54
The suggested retail price for Bernheim Original Wheat Whiskey will be $39.99.




Proud of it, aren't they. So far I'm only intrigued enough to want a taste,I'll make up my mind after that.



The price of novelty is dear, 'cuz the marginally higher (http://www.cbot.com/cbot/pub/page/0,3181,949,00.html) cost of the grain (http://www.straightbourbon.comhttp://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=General&Number=24837&Searc hpage=1&Main=24837&Words=%2Bgrain+%2Bbottle+%2Bcos t&topic=&Search=true#Post24837) sure ain't!

boone
07-28-2005, 12:02
It's getting closer http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif We just finished making the guides (for the filler) to run the new Bernheim Original http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

They might fill them next week if all goes well http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Bettye Jo

miller542
08-22-2005, 11:26
bump.

Any new details?

boone
08-22-2005, 11:46
It's on the way...We bottled some last week...The bulk of that "first order" is going to New York...

We are bottling more tonight...to start stocking the rest of the distributors http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I will take my camera with me and take some pictures of it being bottled http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I am really looking forward to this http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Can't wait to get my own!

Bettye Jo

boone
08-23-2005, 08:51
Here's a few pic's from last night, at work http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

This bottling is done exclusively by hand (WLD)...We don't run this bottling out on the other "high speed" lines...Bernhiem Original production is done at the same "work area" as the EWSB and the Elijah Craig Single Barrel. Each bottle is inspected, one by one. They are filled, corked and loaded in the same manner http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Here's Lisa, inspecting the bottles before they are filled...She's looking for "nicks" in the letting and making sure the glass is in perfect condition.

BourbonJoe
08-23-2005, 08:53
Bettye Jo,
Is that a screw cap I see?
Joe http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/usflag.gif

boone
08-23-2005, 08:56
Mary, filling the bottles http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

boone
08-23-2005, 08:59
The "money side" of the case http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

boone
08-23-2005, 09:00
Brandon, loading http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

boone
08-23-2005, 09:04
Moving on to the next step (finishing)...

Sorry, but this as far as I got last night---I had to leave---Shoot, they wanted me to work? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif...I had "two" line changes and a locked up cleaner that occupied my time http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

boone
08-23-2005, 09:11
It's corked http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Look at the picture with Brandon...you can see the cork in the bottle he's holding http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif It will be dipped in wax during the finishing stage.

Bettye Jo

TMH
08-23-2005, 10:08
Bettye Jo,

Thanks for posting the pictures. Can't wait! I also thought it was a twist off cap and got excited. Something about the picture makes it look like it is a metal twist off cap. I think the bottle would look great with a twist off. There were a lot of great bourbons in the past with metal twist off caps, like Old Taylor or Old Grandad. Metal cap or not, at the end of the day it's what's in side that counts. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

tlsmothers
08-24-2005, 19:18
Glad to hear that NY is getting a stash high on the list. I tried to convince the "powers that be" to launch it at my shop, but sounds like an industry launch is gonna happen at The Brandy Library since Manhattan wins out over Brooklyn. arggggg We'll host our own launch that'll be more public than "industry." Can't wait! Yee-haw!

tlsmothers
09-22-2005, 15:41
Ben and I went to the industry launch last night at the Brandy Library (http://www.brandylibrary.com). Craig Beam and Larry Kass were there to talk about the whiskey and kick it off for the NY market. Although it was announced that the whiskey would be for sale in October, I ended up getting a delivery of it this month somehow and wasn't gonna complain! I've met Parker, but not Craig so I enjoyed picking his brain a bit. He said they were all surprised by how nicely the Bernheim aged, even at 6 months old. It was good to get away from the store a bit and have some good Beam company!

barturtle
09-22-2005, 17:21
I remember seeing some bottles at the Gala, but got sidetracked and forgot to ask if they were pouring it, did anyone there think to ask? If so what did you think?

TNbourbon
09-22-2005, 18:43
I remember seeing some bottles at the Gala, but got sidetracked and forgot to ask if they were pouring it, did anyone there think to ask? If so what did you think?



I didn't attend the Gala, but Parker poured if for us at SB.com's gathering at HH Thursday night. Very pleasing -- soft and flavorful, and different than either wheaters or rye-flavored bourbons. Kinda pricey -- but I'll probably buy a bottle if I get the chance because it's different and likeable.

barturtle
09-23-2005, 09:48
Yes, they do think it's quite dear, but I'll probably pick up a bottle or two(one to try, one to keep/trade). Gotta support those distilleries so that they keep creating new things to try.