cowdery Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Up until a few years ago, Buffalo Trace was pretty big in the contract distilling business. They are a big distillery with plenty of capacity. As pointed out in the Sazerac-Constellation sale thread, the distillery itself isn't running at capacity, even now, but the warehouses are full and the bottling house is overtaxed. So even after they stopped selling bulk and stopped doing contract jobs that required maturation, if somebody (another producer, for example) needed some white dog that was easily accomplished. There were some times in there when Stitzel-Weller was running intermittently, or during the transition from Stitzel to Bernheim, when United/Diageo bought wheated bourbon white dog from BT. Does that mean some whiskey believed to be SW is really BT? Yeah, it does, but when they were using whiskey from both distilleries they undoubtedly mixed it together, so you might get something believed to be SW that is partially, but not entirely, BT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinenjo Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 What was the rye destined for, originally? Was it Cream of Ky? I don't remember COK being available in the late 80's.This is what I've been wondering. Did any of this rye white dog ever hit the shelves? As what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I believe they were making rye all along, not for any brands marketed by Sazerac, but for non-distiller producers. They probably also used it in their blends. They were making rye about two days a year back then, now they're up to four or five.In 2003, Mark Brown told me that the original Saz 18 was a batch of Cream of Kentucky made in 1981, that they had lost in inventory. I don't know how long that cache lasted but the Saz release is never very big and always 28 barrels, so I'm sure that represents what they have in the pipeline that will allow them to sustain the brand at at least that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshani Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Now I'm confused...Cream of Kentucky was advertised as a 90 proof straight bourbon in the late 1930s. When did it become a rye?So far as contract distilling goes, I think BT has done it all. Jim Murray has written that Buffalo Trace did some wheated bourbon distillation for pre-Diageo UD, perhaps in the interim between Stitz and Bernheim. Murray also wrote that it was not uncommon at all for the Wild Turkey distillery to augment their stocks with BT whiskey when it was necessary to buy in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Cream was, I believe, a "family" of brands that included bourbon, rye, possibly blends, etc. One thing we forget is that a lot of the rye made by various distilleries is used as a component in their blends and, in some cases, goes to Canada (along with bourbon) for use in their blends too.Apparently, according to Mark Brown, Cream had its own DSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshani Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 One thing we forget is that a lot of the rye made by various distilleries is used as a component in their blends and, in some cases, goes to Canada (along with bourbon) for use in their blends too.I can see your next blog entry now: "Rye: The True Backbone Of American Spirits"I'm joking, but yet somehow I don't think that's too far from the truth....there's at least a small percentage of rye in just about every American spirit except for rum and wheated bourbon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WsmataU Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Found a bottle of ER17 for less than $60 in NoVa! Sorry, I just had to tell someone and my wife was less than impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickert Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Very nice find.I found some ER 17 from 2006. It was hiding in with the 08 batch. It was $80 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozilla Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Apparently, according to Mark Brown, Cream had its own DSP.It had it's own DSP while being made at DSP 113?This is a fascinating subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barturtle Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 It had it's own DSP while being made at DSP 113?This is a fascinating subject.That's not really all that surprising, I wouldn't think. They were part of the Schenley Empire at the time, it seems there was quite a bit of cross distilling done by that group, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were capable of operating under multiple DSPs, much like HH could do now, Bernhiem being both DSP 1 and DSP 2, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozilla Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Well, the only thing I can come up with would be...that AA had a DSP set up for their light whisky still, later used for Rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barturtle Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 According to the Cecil Index, BT also had the DSP #2 at some point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozilla Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I think that was back before prohibition when it was the Carlisle and OFC distilleries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spun_cookie Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Does anyone have the Spring 05 info sheets? Or really 2000-2005.The others are on the site in various places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barturtle Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Does anyone have the Spring 05 info sheets? Or really 2000-2005.The others are on the site in various places.The only old one I have is 2001 ER17... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spun_cookie Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 The only old one I have is 2001 ER17...We might need a BTAC thread that holds all of the data sheets that can be added to as needed. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 a BTAC thread that holds all of the data sheetsi second the motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barturtle Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 We might need a BTAC thread that holds all of the data sheets that can be added to as needed. Any thoughts?i second the motion.Something like this?............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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