ibuypappy.com

[smokinjoe]

They just advertised that they have it available through twitter: https://twitter.com/FiDiwine

Is there any way we can report the actual store so they lose their license? It seems to me a dangerous proposition for a liquor store to resell bottles they've obtained through general public.

[Trey Manthey]

To be fair, there is no implication that the owner of the domain, who happens to be the same person who owns the store, will resell bottles that he acquires. What might be of consequence is that an individual is engaging in the practice of illegally purchasing alcohol through a non-retail source. Whatever happens, it's the same old dead horse.

[P&MLiquorsEric]

They just advertised that they have it available through twitter: https://twitter.com/FiDiwine

Is there any way we can report the actual store so they lose their license? It seems to me a dangerous proposition for a liquor store to resell bottles they've obtained through general public.

Happens all the time and little is ever done. It is a victimless crime. How can you prove that the bottles of pappy for sale are not the same as the ones they received from an in state distributor. At least in KY, if you have a valid invoice showing you bought the product from a distributor (at some point), then all is good. They do not have the manpower to do a complete sales and invoice audit for every minor complaint. They take issues with products on shelves that are NOT distributed in the state.

[sutton]

Happens all the time and little is ever done. It is a victimless crime. How can you prove that the bottles of pappy for sale are not the same as the ones they received from an in state distributor. At least in KY, if you have a valid invoice showing you bought the product from a distributor (at some point), then all is good. They do not have the manpower to do a complete sales and invoice audit for every minor complaint. They take issues with products on shelves that are NOT distributed in the state.

For higher volume products that turn on a regular basis I can understand, but Pappy? You know, allocated 25, sold 60, would look pretty obvious that something was amiss ... ? Unless these are sales they aren't accounting for (fell off back of truck kind of stuff...)

[P&MLiquorsEric]

It is going to take more than a complaint to get anyone to do a full audit of sales/invoices. And POS systems are only as accurate as the person running them wants them to be.

[mbroo5880i]

They do have them listed on their website. The prices aren't too bad. I believe the 23 year is going for twice I paid for my first car.

[Restaurant man]

Someone will pay it. Because...

[GaryT]

Someone on FB BEX claimed that the guy was paying like $500 for 20 yr, which he was selling for twice as much. And to RM's point . . . someone will pay it (especially in NY).

[ChainWhip]

You guys realize there's actually a SB user named ibuypappy? In fact, that person is viewing this thread right now:

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/member.php?10090-ibuypappy

[ibuypappy]

Hello StraightBourbon members. It is I, Ibuypappy . Although I first became a member on June 8th 2013 for some strange reason the moderator would not allow me to post until today even though I wrote him asking why I was not allowed to post on June 8th ,Interesting.... What does that say about him, only you can surmise.

Now I'd like to set some things straight especially with wadewood. It is LEGAL for anyone with a New York State Liquor license to buy wine or liquor from collectors as long as it is resold in New York and the buyer is made aware that he is buying a previously owned bottle. It is even legal to sell it outside of NY if you get permission from the locale where you are selling it to. I have a letter from the NYSLA stating that fact. Call them to ask if you care to. I would never risk my license by breaking any of the rules.

As far as the pricing goes, Let me say this, I have to buy these bottles from collectors in order to have them in stock. As you know you cannot find them anywhere else in the country on the shelves. I provide a service to my customers. Are they expensive? No more expensive than the bottles of 2010 Haut Brion I carry and these Pappys are much rarer. I take a significant risk buying these bottles at collectors inflated prices. If they do not sell then I am stuck with them. So I do not understand the vitriol on the Pappy pricing, if anyone is to blame it would be the bloggers and fans who told everyone how great it is. The clients who buy them are soooooo happy that they have a legitimate place to buy them. I will continue to make my customers happy. Let me also say that the collectors I buy from are also ridiculously happy, 3 of whom have participated in this thread. So if you are looking for someone to blame for high prices, look in the mirror and start pointing.

I'd like to thank those that wrote in support of me. I'm just providing a service which people can take or leave, its up to them.

[ChainWhip]

Let me also say that the collectors I buy from are also ridiculously happy, 3 of whom have participated in this thread. So if you are looking for someone to blame for high prices, look in the mirror and start pointing.

I gots no dawg in dis fight but there be sum truth in dat.

[smknjoe]

if you are looking for someone to blame for high prices, look in the mirror and start pointing.

Unfortunately, this is true. I'm not one of them though.

[MyOldKyDram]

I passed on plenty of Pappy, all age ranges, for MSRP just weeks ago. Guess that makes me a sucker. Beause if you can move this stuff at these ridiculous prices to these ridiculous customers then hey, oh well. More power to ya? Nah, here's hoping you get stuck with em, but lord knows that will never happen. Enjoy your short stay on the forum.

[smknjoe]

I passed on plenty of Pappy, all age ranges, for MSRP just weeks ago. Guess that makes me a sucker. Beause if you can move this stuff at these ridiculous prices to these ridiculous customers then hey, oh well. More power to ya? Nah, here's hoping you get stuck with em, but lord knows that will never happen. Enjoy your short stay on the forum.

Don't you feel good knowing that you have other options that are better and don't cost more than $30-$80 tops? I do.

[Josh]

A few thoughts: Comparing your prices to the ridiculously bloated prices of Bordeaux Premier Grand Cru isn't helping your cause. Neither is blaming the bloggers, collectors, and drinkers which amounts to just about everybody. Also, I'm not going to be pointing at myself in the mirror anytime soon because I don't pay those prices and I never will. Good luck with your business.

[Josh]

I passed on plenty of Pappy, all age ranges, for MSRP just weeks ago. Guess that makes me a sucker. Beause if you can move this stuff at these ridiculous prices to these ridiculous customers then hey, oh well. More power to ya? Nah, here's hoping you get stuck with em, but lord knows that will never happen. Enjoy your short stay on the forum.

Don't you feel good knowing that you have other options that are better and don't cost more than $30-$80 tops? I do.

Hear hear.:fish2::fish2::fish2:

[DeanSheen]

Well that's a nice loophole in the NY law. Did that come about a few years back when they passed that legislation pertaining to auctions of spirits in NY State?

Best of luck pappyphiles, enjoy the hype and the prices.

[callmeox]

Hello StraightBourbon members. It is I, Ibuypappy . Although I first became a member on June 8th 2013 for some strange reason the moderator would not allow me to post until today even though I wrote him asking why I was not allowed to post on June 8th ,Interesting.... What does that say about him, only you can surmise.

You may know the booze business, but we're pretty solid on the internet forum business here.

There was nothing nefarious about the delay between registration and activation of your posting privileges. All new members who join the forum are placed in a moderation queue so that we can weed out spammers, the occasional douchebag, and commercial interests who don't bother to read or follow the user agreement.

And as you can see, even that method isn't foolproof and one can slip through now and again.

I'd like to thank those that wrote in support of me. I'm just providing a service which people can take or leave, its up to them.

Take it or leave it is a great way to fly.

[Josh]

Hello StraightBourbon members. It is I, Ibuypappy . Although I first became a member on June 8th 2013 for some strange reason the moderator would not allow me to post until today even though I wrote him asking why I was not allowed to post on June 8th ,Interesting.... What does that say about him, only you can surmise.

How did I miss this dig at the mod (sic)? Charming.

[GaryT]

I don't have any ill will for taking advantage of strange local laws, nor for gouging the idiots that would pay it. I've bought one bottle of PVW 20, and thought it was over-hyped at the retail price. With that kind of pricing though, the motive for fraud (not by you, but by folks who figure out how to make a refilled PVW bottle look convincing as "sealed") will grow.

[MyOldKyDram]

It's tempting, too!

[Josh]

It's tempting, too!

Maybe it's time to revive the fake whiskey challenge.

[squire]

The real question is whether it's legal for them to sell and if not the purchaser is engaging in a conspiracy to commit a crime.

Edited June 18, 2013 by squire

[MacinJosh]

Anybody know if this guy is a member here? Seems likely he would be trying to obtain bottles from others here.

Guess my question has now been answered.

[Balcones Winston]