Old Grand Dad rumor

[Charlutz]

And if you believe them the cessation of shipments from the distillery at the same time the buzz around the dropping of the label gained steam was due to 'supply constraints' and therefore coincidental. I love the whiskey but I don't like feeling I'm being played. I bunkered two bottles and was planning to buy more. 

[emr454]

5 minutes ago, Charlutz said:

 I love the whiskey but I don't like feeling I'm being played. I bunkered two bottles and was planning to buy more. 

I agree completely. Most of the 114's I picked up cost a couple dollars less than the BIB, so the choice was obvious.

[Bbstout]

Safe for now.

 

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2017/02/dont-cry-for-old-grand-dad-114.html?m=0

[McPruet]

On 2/4/2017 at 0:20 PM, JoeTerp said:

Special editions of OGD don't make sense given it's a value brand. Makes much more sense to completely discontinue the brand and divert to a more upscale brand (BH makes a lot of sense, but they could create a new one as well). 

Oh well. Will have to wait another year.

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2017/02/dont-cry-for-old-grand-dad-114.html?m=1

[marshbound]

On 2/14/2017 at 9:48 AM, kevinbrink said:

The 80 hasn't been around that long it used to be 86 proof which honestly I found much more enjoyable.

Right, have they really been producing 80 for all that long?  All I can remember in the last 20 years is the constant march to the (80) bottom.  90, 86, 80, what's next, wine?    

[KrispinD]

Good news. Cheers!


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[marshbound]

4 hours ago, emr454 said:

Well now I have 4.5 bottles of 114 that I can enjoy, not ration. First world problems.

Hah, only 3.5 for me.  But at current rate of consumption will be hard pressed to make it through the summer...

[Whiskey Dick]

7 hours ago, marshbound said:

Right, have they really been producing 80 for all that long?  All I can remember in the last 20 years is the constant march to the (80) bottom.  90, 86, 80, what's next, wine?    

 

 

the 80 has been around a long time. a few years ago, I remember seeing 80, 86, 100, and 114 on the shelves. They dropped the 86 maybe 3 years ago

[Limegoldconvertible68]

I don't know about the rest of you but I feel bad for any of the flippers who cleared entire shelfs of OGD114 thinking they could make a big profit flipping bottles for twice the money. In fact this reminds me of how I felt when Gifted Horse flopped and spoiled the flipper party. 

[emr454]

54 minutes ago, Limegoldconvertible68 said:

I don't know about the rest of you but I feel bad for any of the flippers who cleared entire shelfs of OGD114 thinking they could make a big profit flipping bottles for twice the money. In fact this reminds me of how I felt when Gifted Horse flopped and spoiled the flipper party. 

I don't. Flippers are the reason why us regular consumers can't find certain bottles anymore. It's also one reason why ORVW10 went from $40 to $350 locally. If anything I hope it discourages them from clearing the shelves every time a wisp of a rumor circulates on the internet.

 

EDIT: Ignore that. Didn't realize the implied humor. Carry on folks!

Edited February 16, 2017 by emr454

[meadeweber]

1 hour ago, Limegoldconvertible68 said:

I don't know about the rest of you but I feel bad for any of the flippers who cleared entire shelfs of OGD114 thinking they could make a big profit flipping bottles for twice the money. In fact this reminds me of how I felt when Gifted Horse flopped and spoiled the flipper party. 

 

30 minutes ago, emr454 said:

I don't. Flippers are the reason why us regular consumers can't find certain bottles anymore. It's also one reason why ORVW10 went from $40 to $350 locally. If anything I hope it discourages them from clearing the shelves every time a wisp of a rumor circulates on the internet.

I think you failed to see the sarcasm in Lime's post.

[emr454]

Just now, meadeweber said:

 

I think you failed to see the sarcasm in Lime's post.

Ha...you're right! Totally misread the intent. Oops.

[OldFitzWithTheGoldLabel]

11 hours ago, McPruet said:

Oh well. Will have to wait another year.

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2017/02/dont-cry-for-old-grand-dad-114.html?m=1

This is great news, hopefully it will reappear on some shelves locally. It is still a ghost bottle here for the time being.

[justanuthercap]

On 2/6/2017 at 10:38 PM, flahute said:

This isn't getting much attention but Minnick mentioned in one of the facebook groups today that Fred Noe told him that either OGD114 or OGD80 is going away. They just haven't decided yet. Please god let it be the 80.

 

So, can we assume with the good news of the 114 staying that the 80 is going away?  Not that I would mind, just curious is there's official word yet?

[flahute]

22 minutes ago, justanuthercap said:

So, can we assume with the good news of the 114 staying that the 80 is going away?  Not that I would mind, just curious is there's official word yet?

No official word yet so we can't assume anything. It's possible they changed their mind about all of it and that both are staying. 

[BDanner]

Great news! I was wondering how long the 6 bottles I was able to afford to squirrel away in the bunker over the last few months were going to last. OGD 114 can now go back to it's rightful spot at the front of my cabinet for frequent consumption.

[Richnimrod]

8 hours ago, flahute said:

No official word yet so we can't assume anything. It's possible they changed their mind about all of it and that both are staying. 

Just my own conclusion due to recent observations .... How can you 'assume' anything ....even after "official word" from Beam Suntory? 

I mean their statements have become something approaching meaningless by now haven't they?     Maybe the most recent pronouncement(s) will turn out to be accurate (or even durable); but, I prefer to wait at least a few months before placing any trust in 'em.    I have a bunker of OGD BIB, as well as OGD 114, so I have the luxury of not getting too 'het up' just yet.    ...And, I have never owned a bottle of OGD 80, and don't see any likelihood of so doing.

[Limegoldconvertible68]

20 minutes ago, Richnimrod said:

Just my own conclusion due to recent observations .... How can you 'assume' anything ....even after "official word" from Beam Suntory? 

I mean their statements have become something approaching meaningless by now haven't they?     Maybe the most recent pronouncement(s) will turn out to be accurate (or even durable); but, I prefer to wait at least a few months before placing any trust in 'em.    I have a bunker of OGD BIB, as well as OGD 114, so I have the luxury of not getting too 'het up' just yet.    ...And, I have never owned a bottle of OGD 80, and don't see any likelihood of so doing.

Im honestly starting to wonder if all the statements coming out of BS are nothing more than a sales gimmick designed to boost sales by clearing the shelfs in order to juice their end of quarter numbers. Maybe I'm crazy but I swear every time they have done it recently it's been the last month of the quarter. They dropped the KC age statement and tell us OGD is discontinued just in time to bump the 3quarter numbers. Next quarter they drop the Bookers bomb just in time to boost the 4th quarter. Can't wait to see what they tell us so we feel compelled to run out and load up on something in March to bump the 1st quarter for them. 

[flahute]

3 hours ago, Richnimrod said:

Just my own conclusion due to recent observations .... How can you 'assume' anything ....even after "official word" from Beam Suntory? 

 

I didn't come out and say it, but it's kind of what I was thinking. I don't think it's a nefarious ploy to get us to buy more. I think there's a lack of clear direction due to competing interests between Suntory and Beam which leads to false starts and half baked decisions that are a result of compromises between the parties. Pure speculation on my part, I have no inside info. It's just how it all feels to me.

[musekatcher]

35 minutes ago, flahute said:

I didn't come out and say it, but it's kind of what I was thinking. I don't think it's a nefarious ploy to get us to buy more. I think there's a lack of clear direction due to competing interests between Suntory and Beam which leads to false starts and half baked decisions that are a result of compromises between the parties. Pure speculation on my part, I have no inside info. It's just how it all feels to me.

 

I'm having a hard time, reconciling a juvenile marketing technique like that, with a major company, responsible for huge budget and decisions for long term growth.  Maybe its a coincidence? 

[flahute]

8 minutes ago, musekatcher said:

 

I'm having a hard time, reconciling a juvenile marketing technique like that, with a major company, responsible for huge budget and decisions for long term growth.  Maybe its a coincidence? 

I think there's an internal struggle going on there. I sense it when Fred Noe says things in public like "I don't set the prices......."

[musekatcher]

6 hours ago, flahute said:

I think there's an internal struggle going on there. I sense it when Fred Noe says things in public like "I don't set the prices......."

 

So that is plausible, especially in the recent years of corporate philosophy change and hiring.  I can picture a management review discussion going into detail about production challenges or root cause associated with a sales slump - the gray hair will talk thru historical examples, while their younger bosses often work to hide a "why does this matter?" look, before confidently making a marketing 101 decision. 

[Richnimrod]

7 hours ago, flahute said:

I didn't come out and say it, but it's kind of what I was thinking. I don't think it's a nefarious ploy to get us to buy more. I think there's a lack of clear direction due to competing interests between Suntory and Beam which leads to false starts and half baked decisions that are a result of compromises between the parties. Pure speculation on my part, I have no inside info. It's just how it all feels to me.

This ^^^ makes the most sense to me as well.    It doesn't, however, engender any more confidence in the statements emanating from the firm.

I guess we'll just have wait and see if a discernible direction gels from all of it, or if it still seems to waffle over the next six months or so.    Either way, it should be interesting.....

[Old Dusty]

Look across the industry with the legacy distilleries. As they all become part of huge multi-national conglomerates bad/odd decisions (at least bad for us bourbon nerds) are getting made more frequently and the old guard is getting marginalized from the process. Or ignored completely. Look at Rutledge's departure from FR. He has taken the high road, but why leave on the eve of his 50th w the company? Look at WT and the recent Old Ripy/B&L release-explicitly stated to have been done without input from either Russell. And then, as Steve mentiond, the pretty clear internal struggles at Beam.  HH and BT have lost some points here for dropping ages statements and (in BT's case)supply glitches. But neither of them has had the signs of internal disarray and conflict exhibited by the others. And they are both closely held companies with singular ownership. I didn't mention B-F. They are a huge publicly traded company but their leadership sits in Louisville in the heart of bourbon country and their finger on the pulse. And they seem to keep plugging along not getting too high or too low. 

 

I think Steve is on point and it has to do with running a business that has its own rhythms and nuances and has always catered to the everyman. But doing so from the perspective of a huge corporation with leadership unfamiliar with the nuances of the market here. 

[Kepler]

It could be as simple as not wanting to piss off core customers fresh off the heels of the Booker's snafu.  Why not wait a year and let things settle down and then make a change to the OGD if that's the direction you want to go. I have no earthy idea, just speculating.