Richnimrod Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 1 hour ago, fishnbowljoe said: You're probably right Brian. But, I have to add that the few times that I've had regular BH within the last year, it actually tasted fairly decent. Go figure....... Cheers! Joe Heck, nothing wrong with BH, other than the price... and the "limp ABV". HA! I still think it's a fine enough dram; but, I don't buy it for the cheddar asked. If it went for under $25, it would be added to the very few 80's I keep around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeTerp Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 6 hours ago, mosugoji64 said: Regular BH is hamstrung by the low proof and it looks like they've decided to sabotage the rye with the same limp ABV. If they decide to charge a premium for BHR, I'm sure we'll be seeing this on the shelf for some time I actually know a good amount of people (I'd classify in the non-enthusiast range) who really like Basil Hayden's. My guess is that the smoothness and the 80 proof is probably the biggest reason it has that popularity and can get the premium it does.I'd be surprised if the Rye wasn't higher than the Bourbon and priced at least at $50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRich Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I actually know a good amount of people (I'd classify in the non-enthusiast range) who really like Basil Hayden's. My guess is that the smoothness and the 80 proof is probably the biggest reason it has that popularity and can get the premium it does.I'd be surprised if the Rye wasn't higher than the Bourbon and priced at least at $50.Same here. I know quite a few BH devotees that would snap up anything new with the name on it.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I figure a lot of people who drink Basil Hayden are in the same category as beer drinkers who drink Stella Artois. They consider themselves as having discriminating good taste, and want to choose something a cut above (with good packaging and a higher price), but they don't really know what they're doing. That's a generalization of course, but that's how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golferpimp1 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I figure a lot of people who drink Basil Hayden are in the same category as beer drinkers who drink Stella Artois. They consider themselves as having discriminating good taste, and want to choose something a cut above (with good packaging and a higher price), but they don't really know what they're doing. That's a generalization of course, but that's how I see it.I tend to agree with this.....Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McPruet Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) 1.75 def. discont. Possibly 114. I've also read some states were running 114 dry, but other states were receiving inventory. http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2016/10/old-grand-dad-discontinues-175-l-size.html?m=1 Edited February 4, 2017 by McPruet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McPruet Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/1/2017 at 0:07 PM, BDanner said: Was informed by my local store manager (he pulled me aside to let me know since he carries OGD114 at my request) that he was told when he tried to reorder that there is none in the state warehouse and that they will no longer be able to get it. I think Megan might be quoting the company line, but I'm not sure the company line is truthful. I guess this is one of those "wait to see" scenarios. I see rationale on both sides. It 'would' be a good tactic [not] to discourage the roumors, then squeeze availability, state-by-state a while. Another strategy could be to stop the label for a while & offer a special editions down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeTerp Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 2 hours ago, McPruet said: I guess this is one of those "wait to see" scenarios. I see rationale on both sides. It 'would' be a good tactic [not] to discourage the roumors, then squeeze availability, state-by-state a while. Another strategy could be to stop the label for a while & offer a special editions down the road. Special editions of OGD don't make sense given it's a value brand. Makes much more sense to completely discontinue the brand and divert to a more upscale brand (BH makes a lot of sense, but they could create a new one as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul_cooperstein Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I think special editions of OGD could be very interesting strategy that could very well received. OWA, ER10 and Saz6 not too different in price vs OGD114 and their BTAC LEs have done very well from a brand-lift and demand perspective. Same with WT101 vs all of their LEs. In addition I would put old National Distillers OGD 114 up against SW or pre-NAS WT stock. I think there is tons of potential to turn OGD brand into something consistent with what BT has done with some of their stars while still retaining value for high volume products like 80pf and hopefully BIB and 114 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosugoji64 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 On February 2, 2017 at 5:06 PM, fishnbowljoe said: You're probably right Brian. But, I have to add that the few times that I've had regular BH within the last year, it actually tasted fairly decent. Go figure....... Cheers! Joe I agree completely that BH isn't bad but I don't see any reason to pay the premium when I prefer the BIB and 114. And you guys are right about BH having a loyal following and given the right price, I'm sure they'll snap up the rye but I don't see even them paying more than $40-50. Time will tell. A fun SBS would be BH rye and Ri1 but I"m not ponying up for either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 This isn't getting much attention but Minnick mentioned in one of the facebook groups today that Fred Noe told him that either OGD114 or OGD80 is going away. They just haven't decided yet. Please god let it be the 80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinjoe Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 22 minutes ago, flahute said: Please god let it be the 80. Make it a good one, Strap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDanner Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) I wouldn't miss the 80 in the least. That would not immediately solve supply issues with Basil Hayden (if they even exist) since the Basil Hayden and the 80 enter the barrel at different proofs, but it would free up what's already in the barrels to be diverted to BIB stock (if it's in the correct warehouses, etc. to qualify as bonded). North Carolina's ABC warehouse is currently showing 217 cases of the 100 proof and 191 cases of the 80 proof (Overstock status on both, and more than they had last week meaning they are still receiving it) while the 114 has been out for almost a month and I've been told that they will not be receiving more. Hopefully that will change?!?!?!? Edited February 7, 2017 by BDanner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emr454 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 11 hours ago, flahute said: This isn't getting much attention but Minnick mentioned in one of the facebook groups today that Fred Noe told him that either OGD114 or OGD80 is going away. They just haven't decided yet. Please god let it be the 80. Yes, please god cut the 80 and not the 114. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musekatcher Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 53 minutes ago, emr454 said: Yes, please god cut the 80 and not the 114. Does the 80 share a source from the BIB, the 114 or BH? Having enjoyed the last three, Its apparent to me that BH is not just weak BIB or 114. Is BH just honey barrels from the 80? The BH flavor is pretty different than any OGD in my opinion, but I'm teachable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emr454 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, musekatcher said: Does the 80 share a source from the BIB, the 114 or BH? Having enjoyed the last three, Its apparent to me that BH is not just weak BIB or 114. Is BH just honey barrels from the 80? The BH flavor is pretty different than any OGD in my opinion, but I'm teachable. https://www.straightbourbon.com/community/topic/14600-whiskey-tree/?do=findComment&comment=395703 The whiskey tree shows OGD and BH as the same mash bill. Can't speak on BH as I've never had it, just don't want the 114 to be gone forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDanner Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 hours ago, musekatcher said: Does the 80 share a source from the BIB, the 114 or BH? Having enjoyed the last three, Its apparent to me that BH is not just weak BIB or 114. Is BH just honey barrels from the 80? The BH flavor is pretty different than any OGD in my opinion, but I'm teachable. They all share the same mash bill. The BH and the OGD114 go into the barrel at a slightly lower proof than the 80 and 100. So technically, the OGD114 is more closely related to BH than the 80 or 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryT Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Ok - not sure how much good this will do, but started a petition to plead with Beam-Suntory to spare OGD-114. Please take a moment and sign! Going to post on other social networks as well (including a link to Beam-Suntory's facebook page if I can!) https://www.change.org/p/beam-suntory-convince-beam-suntory-to-keep-offering-old-grand-dad-114?recruiter=2252380&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaAlphaVictorEasy Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 28 minutes ago, GaryT said: Ok - not sure how much good this will do, but started a petition to plead with Beam-Suntory to spare OGD-114. Please take a moment and sign! Going to post on other social networks as well (including a link to Beam-Suntory's facebook page if I can!) https://www.change.org/p/beam-suntory-convince-beam-suntory-to-keep-offering-old-grand-dad-114?recruiter=2252380&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink I just got a mental picture of that Chinese man, holding a briefcase, standing in front of a tank in Tianenman square.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrispinD Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 SignedSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcgumbohead Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Signed, its certainly worth a shot Gary, good one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosugoji64 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Thanks for getting that started, Gary. Can't hurt to try to let them know 114 has some fans out here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethangsmith Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musekatcher Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) I signed, but it might have a reverse effect. They may use the popularity from a petition, to simply raise prices without raising production. Edited February 9, 2017 by musekatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigD Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I signed it too , but if they pull the double the price bookers ploy I'll stick to the bunkerd supply and eventually move on to a better value when the time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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