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Kpiz   
Kpiz

It appears that Foursquare just released Criterion, the latest in their "Exceptional Cask Selection" series. Foursquare has posted a couple pictures of the bottled product on Instagram. I included a link below, but in case it doesn't work, here are the details:

 

Cask type: ex-bourbon and ex-madeira

Cask aging: 10 years

Distillation: pot and column blend

Released: April 2017

ABV: 56%

 

I'm looking forward to this one. It sounds almost like a high-proof, 10yo Doorly's.

 

 

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sailor22   
sailor22

Also excited to try one, even if finished rums are not typically in my wheel house.

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tanstaafl2   
tanstaafl2

Was there any indication that at least some of it is coming to the US? Will be interesting to see what the price ends up being. The 11yo single barrel was $60ish as I recall.

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Kpiz   
Kpiz
2 hours ago, tanstaafl2 said:

Was there any indication that at least some of it is coming to the US? Will be interesting to see what the price ends up being. The 11yo single barrel was $60ish as I recall.

 

Yes, Foursquare's comments indicate they will be releasing it in the US. They said they're awaiting "some federal approvals" but that their "goal is to get it here ASAP". Fact-check indicates they did apply for a TTB label approval, so that's a good sign: https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=17102001000086

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tanstaafl2   
tanstaafl2
22 minutes ago, Kpiz said:

 

Yes, Foursquare's comments indicate they will be releasing it in the US. They said they're awaiting "some federal approvals" but that their "goal is to get it here ASAP". Fact-check indicates they did apply for a TTB label approval, so that's a good sign: https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=17102001000086

 

Indeed it is. Thanks!

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Kpiz   
Kpiz

I just noticed the back label says that they're only releasing 2,000 bottles. Not sure if that's in the US or worldwide, but either way it doesn't sound like much. I don't recall the prior Foursquare special editions saying how many bottles were released (at least not on the label).

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tanstaafl2   
tanstaafl2
5 minutes ago, Kpiz said:

I just noticed the back label says that they're only releasing 2,000 bottles. Not sure if that's in the US or worldwide, but either way it doesn't sound like much. I don't recall the prior Foursquare special editions saying how many bottles were released (at least not on the label).

 

Nor do I but I don't know that I ever looked!

 

Let the scramble begin...

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Kpiz   
Kpiz
33 minutes ago, tanstaafl2 said:

 

Nor do I but I don't know that I ever looked!

 

Let the scramble begin...

 

Yep. I'll post back here when (or if) it shows up in my area.

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Kpiz   
Kpiz

Criterion just hit K&L's "Coming Soon" list: https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=1308376. It is currently listed at $69.99.

 

Hard to say when it will arrive, probably sometime in the next week, but I'm getting excited!

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Kpiz   
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The Robb Report listed Criterion as one of the 7 best rums for Scotch drinkers. I don't usually read Robb Report, but Foursquare posted a screenshot of this on their Instagram.

 

If you read the comment in the link I posted, not only does Fred Minnick compare Foursquare to Pappy Van Winkle, he also advises people to clear the shelves if they find it: "Should you ever come across Foursquare Criterion in a store, I advise you to buy every bottle you see". Does anyone else find this to be reckless?

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tanstaafl2   
tanstaafl2
On ‎6‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 5:04 PM, Kpiz said:

The Robb Report listed Criterion as one of the 7 best rums for Scotch drinkers. I don't usually read Robb Report, but Foursquare posted a screenshot of this on their Instagram.

 

If you read the comment in the link I posted, not only does Fred Minnick compare Foursquare to Pappy Van Winkle, he also advises people to clear the shelves if they find it: "Should you ever come across Foursquare Criterion in a store, I advise you to buy every bottle you see". Does anyone else find this to be reckless?

 

Well, like many bloggers he is prone to a touch of hyperbole...

 

And now that he has added rum to his repertoire I suppose it helps if the post has a bit of drama for effect...

 

That said it doesn't help us much in finding a bottle if a few people snatch up everything they see from a limited release. But it also won't be the first time that happens! Or probably the last...

 

 

 

Edited by tanstaafl2

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Kpiz   
Kpiz
51 minutes ago, tanstaafl2 said:

 

Well, like many bloggers he is prone to a touch of hyperbole...

 

And now that he has added rum to his repertoire I suppose it helps if the post has a bit of drama for effect...

 

That said it doesn't help us much in finding a bottle if a few people snatch up everything they see from a limited release. But it also won't be the first time that happens! Or probably the last...

 

 

All valid points. For some reason I had him pegged as someone who wouldn't want to fuel shelf-clearing and flipping in rum, but I guess he's more concerned with his image and readership. Given his background in Bourbon he can't claim ignorance. Sorry, for some reason his comment really irks me.

 

Still no sign of Criterion at K&L, and it has disappeared from the coming soon list for the time being.

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tanstaafl2   
tanstaafl2
1 minute ago, Kpiz said:

 

Still no sign of Criterion at K&L, and it has disappeared from the coming soon list for the time being.

 

Fred probably bought it all...

 

B)

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23 minutes ago, tanstaafl2 said:

 

Fred probably bought it all...

 

B)

 

Fred's a flipper! :lol: Should've known

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smokinjoe   
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20 hours ago, Kpiz said:

 

All valid points. For some reason I had him pegged as someone who wouldn't want to fuel shelf-clearing and flipping in rum, but I guess he's more concerned with his image and readership. Given his background in Bourbon he can't claim ignorance. Sorry, for some reason his comment really irks me.

 

 

 

Yeah, it seems to me that Minnick has headed into overdrive to build his brand in multiple spirits.  I'm sure a Armagnac Curious is in the works...Image and readership is a good way to put it.  He may be the most deft in the whiskey blogosphere in building and marketing his brand and name.  Hey, good for him.  It's all business.  A guys got to make a living, somehow.  Mize well push it where ever one can.  People want to hear Pappy, so he gives it to them, and he gets the clicks.  Saying Pappy is Gold for things like that.  A little Diageo-like marketeer he's becoming!  :lol:

 

I hope y'all longtime rum folks don't have your passion overrun with the hype that gets perpetrated with these types of careless articles.

 

 

Edited by smokinjoe

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Yeah, it seems to me that Minnick has headed into overdrive to build his brand in multiple spirits.  I'm sure a Armagnac Curious is in the works...Image and readership is a good way to put it.  He may be the most deft in the whiskey blogosphere in building and marketing his brand and name.  Hey, good for him.  It's all business.  A guys got to make a living, somehow.  Mize well push it where ever one can.  People want to hear Pappy, so he gives it to them, and he gets the clicks.  Saying Pappy is Gold for things like that.  A little Diageo-like marketeer he's becoming!  :lol:
 
I hope y'all longtime rum folks don't have your passion overrun with the hype that gets perpetrated with these types of careless articles.
 
 


Thanks, Joe, it's nice to get your perspective. Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

It'll be interesting to see how this Criterion release goes. As far as I know there will be 2000 bottles available in the US, and there seems to be more coverage and chatter than past releases. With sipping rum becoming more popular in general, this one could go quickly. It will at least provide a pretty good gauge of how willing people are to cough up ~$80 for a rum special release.

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fishnbowljoe   
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On July 1, 2017 at 11:24 AM, smokinjoe said:

I hope y'all longtime rum folks don't have your passion overrun with the hype that gets perpetrated with these types of careless articles.

 

 

+1

While I myself am not a rum drinker, I appreciate what y'all have goin' on here. 

 

Cheers! Joe

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garbanzobean   
garbanzobean
On 7/1/2017 at 0:24 PM, smokinjoe said:

 

Yeah, it seems to me that Minnick has headed into overdrive to build his brand in multiple spirits.  I'm sure a Armagnac Curious is in the works...Image and readership is a good way to put it.  He may be the most deft in the whiskey blogosphere in building and marketing his brand and name.  Hey, good for him.  It's all business.  A guys got to make a living, somehow.  Mize well push it where ever one can.  People want to hear Pappy, so he gives it to them, and he gets the clicks.  Saying Pappy is Gold for things like that.  A little Diageo-like marketeer he's becoming!  :lol:

 

I hope y'all longtime rum folks don't have your passion overrun with the hype that gets perpetrated with these types of careless articles.

 

 

I will refrain from piling on Minnick too badly, though I want to.  His writing, similar to his look, is a bit over the top.  It bothers me is that Whisky Advocate let stalwarts like Lew Bryson go, and retained Minnick and others in an effort to appeal to a younger crowd.  

 

I don't drink a ton of rum, but I sure hope it remains an affordable good quality aged brown spirit.

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kevinbrink   
kevinbrink

Well I just ordered a bottle from TWCP in MO, can't wait to try it.

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Kpiz   
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Well I just ordered a bottle from TWCP in MO, can't wait to try it.


Nice work, let us know how it is. Not sure when it'll actually hit stores here.

Good grief, did TWCP sell out if it already? I tried to check how much they were charging but I don't see it on their site.

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7 hours ago, Kpiz said:

 


Nice work, let us know how it is. Not sure when it'll actually hit stores here.

Good grief, did TWCP sell out if it already? I tried to check how much they were charging but I don't see it on their site.

 

Unreal, they announced it in their last mailing list email, it was $76.99, I'm guessing it will be a bit cheaper in your area as the Bay area stores (Mission, K&L) tend to be cheaper on the other Four Square releases.

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Unreal, they announced it in their last mailing list email, it was $76.99, I'm guessing it will be a bit cheaper in your area as the Bay area stores (Mission, K&L) tend to be cheaper on the other Four Square releases.


Thanks for the info. I guess people are taking Fred Minnick at his word and buying every bottle they see (or don't see).

Hopefully it will be cheaper here, but I'd settle for paying more if it meant I could secure a bottle.

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kevinbrink   
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9 hours ago, Kpiz said:

 


Thanks for the info. I guess people are taking Fred Minnick at his word and buying every bottle they see (or don't see).

Hopefully it will be cheaper here, but I'd settle for paying more if it meant I could secure a bottle.

 

I feel like its a safe bet to be pretty great though I do wonder how much better it can be then 2004 which is still kicking around, I would imagine that if the hype is that high on this then the last bottles of 2004 might drift off the shelves soon after. 

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kevinbrink   
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Well it's here, it is certainly very good, I will reserve a true judgement call for a night I didn't have any Ardbeg prior in the evening.

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kevinbrink   
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Looking forward to seeing how it compares to it's siblings

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