Whiskey Trails 17 Year Old Bourbon

[drew_kulsveen]

Anyone that knows me understands that I am forward and to the point. My intent wasn't to offend anyone but rather to set the record straight. Whitedog, if you really want to know what we do, call me, send me an email, visit and I'll be more than happy show you around (that goes for anyone else too).

If you've ever been to an event where we have been present, we have never misrepresented ourselves, we are not that stupid.

As for the WPSR, we have only expressed that it the bottle is replicated directly off the blueprints from our new pot still.

[drew_kulsveen]

Well, unless that relative works for us (ie, my sister, brother in law or father) I wouldn't believe them. If I knew who it was I would call them out. I can appreciate you criticism about transparency and agree with you. I will never break my word that I have given someone and that includes certain information I will not talk about. There are things that I would change in a heartbeat as most people would in their business, but I do not own it, I can only make suggestions.

[BourbonJoe]

Well, unless that relative works for us (ie, my sister, brother in law or father) I wouldn't believe them. If I knew who it was I would call them out. I can appreciate you criticism about transparency and agree with you. I will never break my word that I have given someone and that includes certain information I will not talk about. There are things that I would change in a heartbeat as most people would in their business, but I do not own it, I can only make suggestions.

[Tom Troland]

In his August 26 post, Mr. Kulsveen, in effect, denies that the labeling of Willett Pot Still Reserve is deceptive, stating that his firm has only said, “The bottle is replicated directly off the blueprints from our new pot still.â€

However, no such disclaimer appears on the bottle, nor on the hang tag attached to the bottle, nor on the KBD website. So it is not clear how any consumer could know that the “Pot Still Reserve†is a column still product. Obviously, the intent of the labeling is to imply very strongly that the bourbon was distilled in a pot still. Obviously, the labeling of this product is deliberately deceptive.

Mr. Kulsveen states in his same post, “We have never misrepresented ourselves, we are not that stupid.†But, yes, they have misrepresented themselves. As plain as day. However, if the product sells on the basis of this misrepresentation, then they are not stupid.

[fricky]

Isn't it time to stop bashing Drew Kulsveen and KBD? I don't believe that there has been any attempt to mislead anyone. There have been many excellent bottles of Willett Bourbon and Rye that I and many Gazebo attendees had the good fortune to taste.

[Josh]

Isn't it time to stop bashing Drew Kulsveen and KBD? I don't believe that there has been any attempt to mislead anyone. There have been many excellent bottles of Willett Bourbon and Rye that I and many Gazebo attendees had the good fortune to taste.

I think people should stop bashing KBD when Drew apologizes for bashing SB.com.

[fishnbowljoe]

Man, after all this talk about Whisky Trails 17 yr old bourbon, I just might have to get myself a bottle and try it out. :yum: Sounds like pretty interesting stuff. Joe

[Lost Pollito]

Man, after all this talk about Whisky Trails 17 yr old bourbon, I just might have to get myself a bottle and try it out. :yum: Sounds like pretty interesting stuff. Joe

[dougdog]

In his August 26 post, Mr. Kulsveen, in effect, denies that the labeling of Willett Pot Still Reserve is deceptive, stating that his firm has only said, “The bottle is replicated directly off the blueprints from our new pot still.”

However, no such disclaimer appears on the bottle, nor on the hang tag attached to the bottle, nor on the KBD website. So it is not clear how any consumer could know that the “Pot Still Reserve” is a column still product. Obviously, the intent of the labeling is to imply very strongly that the bourbon was distilled in a pot still. Obviously, the labeling of this product is deliberately deceptive.

Mr. Kulsveen states in his same post, “We have never misrepresented ourselves, we are not that stupid.” But, yes, they have misrepresented themselves. As plain as day. However, if the product sells on the basis of this misrepresentation, then they are not stupid.

[dougdog]

If a label read:

"Pot Still Shaped Bottle Reserve"

Would that clear things up in people’s minds?

dp

Amusingly concerned about things "lost in translation"...

[dougdog]

Amusingly concerned about things "lost in translation"...

What am I thinking...I'm more amused with the things that are ADDED in translation...

Side bar: Kinda reminds me of the 60's when song writers "laid it between the lines" to get around government censorship. Being brought up in a very strict religious environment, it's where I learned about sex and drugs and banjos. HEEEEEE HEEEE LOL!

[dougdog]

I do find it odd that simply wanting to know who distilled what pisses so many people off.

We finally get to the problem...

It's not that simple !!!!!!!!!

(BTW whitey, I'm not pissed at you or anyone else, I'm havin' fun with this. At the end of the day, when all is said and done, I'm sippin' Kool-Aid or one of any a number of the finest whiskies in the world and watchin' the "blue smoke from a Havana cigar" float down the front porch, with either my friend(s), wife or well enough, just myself...reminiscing the smiles and laughs gained from watching the parade in this thread march on by...) (I see me in that parade too...love to laugh at my self in hindsight)

[p_elliott]

We finally get to the problem...

It's not that simple !!!!!!!!!

(BTW whitey, I'm not pissed at you or anyone else, I'm havin' fun with this. At the end of the day, when all is said and done, I'm sippin' Kool-Aid or one of any a number of the finest whiskies in the world and watchin' the "blue smoke from a Havana cigar" float down the front porch, with either my friend(s), wife or well enough, just myself...reminiscing the smiles and laughs gained from watching the parade in this thread march on by...) (I see me in that parade too...love to laugh at my self in hindsight)

Let's not be putting the Kook-aid and the bourbon in the same glass. Scotch and Kool-aid is ok though. :slappin:

[LikeItWasSodaPop]

This particular specimen is on sale at a certain Binny's now (not sure if sales are chain-wide or not), down from 79ish to 59ish. That tips the price point enough that I'm gonna take a chance on it.

As a noob, it's funny to find this thread again (I initially found it when searching to learn about KBD). It's got it all ... hyperbole, intrigue, know-it-alls, know-nothings posing as know-it-alls, classy behavior, childish behavior, witty name-calling, lame name-calling, obviously INTOXICATED posts, and smart tasting notes (though just precious few of those!), etc., etc., etc.

Anyway, given Joe's recommendation (basically the only person to discuss the actual bourbon in this long-ass thread), I'm gonna grab some tomorrow. I will yell at people and generally act ornery while I drink it.

Oh, wait, that would be how I am most of the time anyway.

[Josh]

As a noob, it's funny to find this thread again (I initially found it when searching to learn about KBD). It's got it all ... hyperbole, intrigue, know-it-alls, know-nothings posing as know-it-alls, classy behavior, childish behavior, witty name-calling, lame name-calling, obviously INTOXICATED posts, and smart tasting notes (though just precious few of those!), etc., etc., etc.

[trumpstylz]

So I already knew that KBD "sourced" their bourbon from other distilleries, but does that mean they buy a) white dog, which they proceed to put into their own barrels bourbon that's just entered the barrel at the source's distillery or c) barrels which have been aging at the source disillery's rickhouse for a while which KBD finds particularly valuable?