SW All Gone

[DeanSheen]

Seriously use the enter key. Paragraphs, much easier to read.

:hot:

I think the point of my questions were a little misunderstood. My desire to understand the VW SW relationship has more to do with knowing what it is I'm drinking, or had had in the past along with what I will be drinking in the future. There is a good chance that the PVW15 that I have finished was SW, and the PVW20 that is nearly finished is SW. The current VWFR12lotB, if my understanding of the timeline is correct, would be Bernheim distilled. Beginning in 2012, BT would be 10 years old and thus a new batch of VW10 would hit the market. I had a Cork and Bottle Barrel Selection 12yr Weller about 4 years ago that was an older style label that they stated was SW, it was excellent, but the new bottle of Weller 12 is also excellent, I assume this is BT? Having an understanding of which versions came from which distillery is nice for tasting comparisons, and knowing what differences might arise through the transitions from distillery to distillery that VW has undergone. The one consistent is that VW always seems to have an excellent product, never had one that I didn't love. I'm not obsessed over SW, just want to know what is what. And as far as reading back though these posts, I see many SW-BT references, the Bernheim years seem to not get mentioned even though I assume this is the 10 and 12 that we are buying right now.

[clingman71]

Uh, that was a paragraph. It was sentences put together concerning a common topic, or point. I was desiring info, advice, and/or opinions about bourbon. I thought this was straight bourbon, not straight grammar-composition.

[BourbonJoe]

Play nice boys.

Joe :usflag:

[White Dog]

I think the point of my questions were a little misunderstood. My desire to understand the VW SW relationship has more to do with knowing what it is I'm drinking, or had had in the past along with what I will be drinking in the future.

There is a good chance that the PVW15 that I have finished was SW, and the PVW20 that is nearly finished is SW. The current VWFR12lotB, if my understanding of the timeline is correct, would be Bernheim distilled.

Beginning in 2012, BT would be 10 years old and thus a new batch of VW10 would hit the market. I had a Cork and Bottle Barrel Selection 12yr Weller about 4 years ago that was an older style label that they stated was SW, it was excellent, but the new bottle of Weller 12 is also excellent, I assume this is BT?

Having an understanding of which versions came from which distillery is nice for tasting comparisons, and knowing what differences might arise through the transitions from distillery to distillery that VW has undergone. The one consistent is that VW always seems to have an excellent product, never had one that I didn't love. I'm not obsessed over SW, just want to know what is what.

And as far as reading back though these posts, I see many SW-BT references, the Bernheim years seem to not get mentioned even though I assume this is the 10 and 12 that we are buying right now.

Not so hard, is it? And it is Straight Bourbon, not Straight Grammar, but it's hard to answer questions when they'll all strung together. I do agree with you in that it is more intellectually interesting to know the historical narrative of where these distillates were made. Those who say that it doesn't matter seem to lack a basic curiosity.

But Robert is right, the info has all been covered in various threads.

[DeanSheen]

Uh, that was a paragraph. It was sentences put together concerning a common topic, or point. I was desiring info, advice, and/or opinions about bourbon. I thought this was straight bourbon, not straight grammar-composition.

Well I'm sorry I said anything. I had a momentary lapse where I forgot about the ignore button.

Reading is fundamental.

[doubleblank]

Yes....this topic has been discussed in many threads here at SB.com. It is easy to determine when distilleries closed, etc. But there is a lot of conflicting information about what is in every bottling done by the Van Winkles......sometimes they contradict themselves when posting here or discussing it with us at the Gazebo in Bardstown, etc.

It gets even more confusing when you find barrels identified as Old Fitzgerald Distillery but distilled at DSP 113 ....... during the time DSP 16 was still operating.

I've made numerous posts on the provenance of what's in various Van Winkle bottlings but am too lazy to go look them all up. A search of my posts about Van Winkle might be a good start for info but ultimately there is not a definitive answer to most of your questions.

Randy

[iraethan]

I'm down to one bottle of Pappy 15 as well. So sad. But I do have a handful of SW Old Fitz as well.

[White Dog]

I'm down to one bottle of Pappy 15 as well. So sad. But I do have a handful of SW Old Fitz as well.

You're welcome. :lol: :lol:

[cowdery]

The problem with Clingman's question is that SW Pappy isn't really typical SW, so tasting a Pappy that you even know for sure is SW tells you only a little bit about SW. That's what I've been trying to say.

[clingman71]

That brings up two distinct questions then... if Pappy SW wasn't typical SW, is there any way to try typical SW anymore, to compare to the Pappy SW I've already had?

And, how will Pappy SW compare to Bernheim VW and the to BT VW?

Also, knowing that I have enjoyed Pappy 15, 20, & lot B (from the late 90's to the present), 12 year Weller, BT, 1792, Elmer T Lee, any advice on others to try. I've had others, this is simply a favs list.

I have read a lot about how Old Fitz was, any expectations on its future since HH? Every answered question seems to only lead to more questions.

Thanks

[cowdery]

Actually, it seems like every answered question leads to the exact same question being asked again, as if the answers weren't even read.

As previously answered, the best way to taste typical SW is through dusties.

Heaven Hill will likely be coming out with a higher-end version of Old Fitzgerald in the near future.

[T Comp]

Actually, it seems like every answered question leads to the exact same question being asked again, as if the answers weren't even read.

As previously answered, the best way to taste typical SW is through dusties.

Heaven Hill will likely be coming out with a higher-end version of Old Fitzgerald in the near future.

[clingman71]

Actually it seems as though this supposed friendly forum on a subject we all love is not so friendly after all. In state controlled Ohio, especially where I live, "dusties" are nonexistent. As far as the asking the same questions again, that was referring to Old Fitz, and it was the first reference to it. I find a thread, read it, ask a few questions, and get grief for the effort. I don't wish to spend every waking moment with my nose in the computer searching who knows how many threads to find answers that many could have simply answered in a few sentences.

And I have gotten few answers and/or opinions to my questions? How 'bout answers pertaining to the questions, and keep the grief to yourself.

To those of you who have answered I thank you. I only know enough to understand that most on here have far more knowledge and experience than myself. I enjoy bourbon, if those with more knowledge can help me find other bourbons to try that are suited to my taste, then great, that is why I am on here. I'm sorry, but I get irritated and impatient with the grief and nonsense.

[White Dog]

Actually it seems as though this supposed friendly forum on a subject we all love is not so friendly after all. In state controlled Ohio, especially where I live, "dusties" are nonexistent. As far as the asking the same questions again, that was referring to Old Fitz, and it was the first reference to it. I find a thread, read it, ask a few questions, and get grief for the effort. I don't wish to spend every waking moment with my nose in the computer searching who knows how many threads to find answers that many could have simply answered in a few sentences.

And I have gotten few answers and/or opinions to my questions? How 'bout answers pertaining to the questions, and keep the grief to yourself.

[bourbonv]

I had some Weller Special reserve the other day that was excellent. I would say that Weller Special Reserve is about as close as you are going to get to the Stitzel-Weller in a modern product that is readily available today. Heaven Hill is also making some good bourbon using the wheated recipe but I do find the product from Bernheim is different from what was made at Stitzel-Weller. If Makers ever decides to release an older version of their product, then it would also be very close to Stitzel-Weller products from the 1970s and 1980s.

Mike Veach

[clingman71]

I had some Weller Special reserve the other day that was excellent. I would say that Weller Special Reserve is about as close as you are going to get to the Stitzel-Weller in a modern product that is readily available today. Heaven Hill is also making some good bourbon using the wheated recipe but I do find the product from Bernheim is different from what was made at Stitzel-Weller. If Makers ever decides to release an older version of their product, then it would also be very close to Stitzel-Weller products from the 1970s and 1980s.

Mike Veach

[bourbonv]

You are welcome. I simply answered the question as I understood it to be.

I agree that Julian bottles great whiskey. I do not dislike any of his products, but I do prefer the 15yo in the Pappy Line and I am quite fond of the 12yo Van Winkle Family Reserve.

If you ever get a chance to get an older bottle of Maker's Mark from the 1970s, do so. It is as good as anything that ever came out of Stitzel-Weller. The Gold Wax 101 proof Maker's Mark is even better than many Stitzel-Weller bourbons.

Mike Veach

[tigerlam92]

I'm not saying it never matters where something is made, but Van Winkle has earned the right to be taken on it's own terms. You should not buy a Van Winkle to experience SW. You should buy a Van Winkle to experience Van Winkle.

Although I am obsessed with SW as well, I totally agreed with this statement. Van Winkle stands on it's own merit and will continue to have my patronage until my taste bud tells me otherwise.

clingman71, As someone who loves SW and VW, I would recommend trying the WLW or even GTS - ice or splash of water. If you can afford and wish for more SW, then definitely try to locate some VOF or VVOF too. They are heavenly.

Cheers

--Hugh

[cowdery]

Although I no longer live in Ohio, would the other folks here who do say it's a dusty-free zone? Although it's a control state, agency stores are like independent operators. I don't believe they have the ability to return unsold merchandise to the state, so they are as likely to have dusties as other places, or am I wrong? I'm not quite prepared to buy a blanket statement that there are no dusties in Ohio. Remember too that there was a lot of standard issue (i.e., typical) Stitzel-Weller at retail until about 1997, when it began to dwindle. We're not talking about the dark ages.

So lighten up, Clingfree. We're friendly enough when people get with the program and don't go around with chips on their shoulders.

[T Comp]

And if you get to Chicago shoot me a PM. I'll gladly share a few sips of some S-W whiskey with you (at least the ones that are not very very old :grin:).

[clingman71]

My chip began with some of the responses, but I'm happy to say that the current responses are helpful and appreciated. A couple of fingers of ETL does wonders for the mind set as well.

My issues with dusties in the near Dayton area is that no one I've visited has any old Fitz or weller, let alone dusty OF or WLW.

I read about older gold 101 makers on here, those I remember, so maybe some is out there.

Any other wheated dusty brands, or any dusties to look for that were available in Ohio? This is where experience is a factor. Reading about it isn't the same as knowing from one's own experience. All of the places I've checked locally say that they have no "old stock".

Thanks

[DeanSheen]

Although I no longer live in Ohio, would the other folks here who do say it's a dusty-free zone? Although it's a control state, agency stores are like independent operators. I don't believe they have the ability to return unsold merchandise to the state, so they are as likely to have dusties as other places, or am I wrong? I'm not quite prepared to buy a blanket statement that there are no dusties in Ohio. Remember too that there was a lot of standard issue (i.e., typical) Stitzel-Weller at retail until about 1997, when it began to dwindle. We're not talking about the dark ages.

So lighten up, Clingfree. We're friendly enough when people get with the program and don't go around with chips on their shoulders.

[ThomasH]

Unless you check you start checking basements bars!

Thomas

[bourbonv]

If there were dusty bottles in Ohio, John and Linda bought them 15 years ago.

Mike Veach

[White Dog]

There are no dusties in my state, either. Please limit your search to Illinois.:grin: :grin: