cowdery Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 And was in charge of the fifth ring at Sochi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzabcan Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 And was in charge of the fifth ring at Sochi. Also manhole covers and bathroom stall dividing walls. (see http://thechive.com/2014/02/06/conditions-at-the-sochi-olympics-are-badhilarious-32-photos/ ) :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHansell Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I tasted the whiskeys (and a third tentatively called Rhetoric) with the primary Diageo people in their NYC corporate office in January, and they were pretty clear about a few things: that they believe Old Blowhard was from the Old Berheim distillery and Barterhouse was from the new one. I won't self promote my blog by including the link, but I explain it there along with the mashbill, which would suggest it was intended for Old Charter. (Diageo would not confirm this for me.)Also, the general gist I have gotten from Diageo is that, while there maybe plenty of whiskey barrels being aged at S-W, very little of the stocks remaining were distilled there. Finally, while I usually agree with Geoff in his reviews of products, we disagree on this one. I feel Old Blowhard is a few years past its prime and shows too much wood influence for proper balance and prefer Barterhouse for this reason. Other people who I have shared my sample with have agreed with me, including my managing editor Lew Bryson. Have I had woodier whiskeys? Absolutely (the new JPS 25 comes to mind). But still. Old bourbons are very polarizing, so I suggest you all try it yourselves and form your own opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Oh for Heaven's sake John, no one could fault you for listing your blog plus that saves me having to look it up and at my age one doesn't wish to waste any time.And thanks for the clarifying follow up post. Edited February 11, 2014 by squire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restaurant man Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Yes. Thank you John for providing information that we would not be able to get if you weren't on this site. (Or had a blog, or edited a magazine). We appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikesville Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Putting on my Carnac the Magnificent hat, I predict dozens of pages of "Is it or isn't it SW juice?" threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Shouldn't think so, Diageo confirmed the whisky in question was made at Bernheim using a rye mash bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Old Bernheim, at least at the end, made one bourbon which it sold as I. W. Harper and Old Charter. The mashbill was 80% corn. "Believe" is a load of crap. The name of the distillery that produced it would be on the barrel head unless Diageo sanded it off themselves.But this is a lot more than they've revealed before, so that's something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHansell Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I've asked Diageo to be as transparent as possible. (Something they are not used to.) I also asked for a bottle count of each release--something which they wouldn't provide. I'm only passing on to you what they told me, and have no means of personally validating. I'm just the messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHansell Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 ...I won't self promote my blog by including the link... .P.S. Well, I'll be damned if I didn't have a link to the WA website in my signature. (Someone sent me a PM reminding me.) That's a default I set up years ago and completely forgot about it. Sorry about that. Wasn't trying to make a liar out of myself. Okay, back to the bourbon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I'm looking forward to trying Barterhouse. Maybe I'm a fool, but I'm hoping it will taste like OCPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingstein Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I'm looking forward to trying Barterhouse. Maybe I'm a fool, but I'm hoping it will taste like OCPR.Josh, I myself have a soft spot for OC products, but the BHC preceded my interest in bourbon and the OCPR has obviously not been available. Given the state of bourbon and the increased prices, would you pay for OCPR what they will charge for Barterhouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Josh, I myself have a soft spot for OC products, but the BHC preceded my interest in bourbon and the OCPR has obviously not been available. Given the state of bourbon and the increased prices, would you pay for OCPR what they will charge for Barterhouse?I would pay that in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingstein Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I would pay that in a heartbeat.Interesting. I really thought about staying away from this release for a number of reasons, mainly the MSRP. Coloring my thoughts though was ignorance as to the quality of the OCPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanstaafl2 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Josh, I myself have a soft spot for OC products, but the BHC preceded my interest in bourbon and the OCPR has obviously not been available. Given the state of bourbon and the increased prices, would you pay for OCPR what they will charge for Barterhouse?If we want to try it do we have much choice? Especially if we were not able to get OCPR back in the day. And as I recall OCPR was 13yo so this will be a older and thus a presumably a bit different. Whether that means better remains to be seen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingstein Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 If we want to try it do we have much choice? Especially if we were not able to get OCPR back in the day. And as I recall OCPR was 13yo so this will be a older and thus a presumably a bit different. Whether that means better remains to be seen!Alas, another hit to my wallet. I thought I could just put my head in the sand and ignore this release, but it sounds like I might have to take the plunge. You're right, we don't have much choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyOldKyDram Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Eh, I'm willing to take the chance and skip it.I'm sure ill get to try it at the gazebo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanstaafl2 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Eh, I'm willing to take the chance and skip it.I'm sure ill get to try it at the gazebo.Indeed you may. But if you find you like it you may well not get a chance to then buy it! At least not at retail...Unfortunately such is the way of the current whiskey world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrinkSpirits Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Just got a clarification from Diageo and have updated our Old Blowhard and Barterhouse review."Although stored at Stizel-Weller, Barterhouse whiskey was actually distilled at the New Bernheim Distillery (post 1992) and Old Blowhard was distilled at the Old Bernheim Distillery (pre-1992, originally Belmont & Astor)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyOldKyDram Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Indeed you may. But if you find you like it you may well not get a chance to then buy it! At least not at retail...Unfortunately such is the way of the current whiskey world.Oh well. I'm willing to take that risk. Can't buy everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanstaafl2 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Oh well. I'm willing to take that risk. Can't buy everything.Don't say that too loudly!!!!:shocked: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I'm looking forward to trying Barterhouse. Maybe I'm a fool, but I'm hoping it will taste like OCPR.Hope springs eternal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerlam92 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Have the opportunity to go to the Orphan Barrel tasting here but it's on March 3rd and my next baby is scheduled to deliver on 3/6 so may have to decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdig Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I've asked Diageo to be as transparent as possible. (Something they are not used to.) I also asked for a bottle count of each release--something which they wouldn't provide. Pretty sure the Old Blowhard is about 200 cases but dont have an exact number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P&MLiquorsEric Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Pretty sure the Old Blowhard is about 200 cases but dont have an exact number."Case" used to be a universal term of 12 750 bottles but now high end products have 6,4, 3 and sometimes just one bottle in them. Hopefully the number is 2400 bottles. If it's half of that or less, prepare for a shit show trying to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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