squire Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Ah, the game is afoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcbt Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Who's next? I'm thinking perhaps someone in Texas.Looks like first up is 1835. Good choice, Chuck. I tried to find something that would indicate the biggest Texas violator in terms of sales or whatnot but that info is hard to find with private companies. 1835 might be it, though.http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2014/09/deep-in-heart-of-not-texas.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I asked a couple of Texans, who pointed me to 1835. It's pretty easy to figure out. As much of it as they're selling, at $20 to $27 a bottle, it has to be NDP, which means it was not distilled in Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 sku tweeted a link today to a newspapaer article about a class action suit against Templeton.It begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT Mike Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Right after 5.36(d) comes 5.36(e) which says:Country of origin. On labels of imported distilled spirits there shall be stated the country of origin in substantially the following form “Product of ______”, the blank to be filled in with the name of the country of origin.I believe Whistle Pig is currently in violation of 5.36(e). Their earlier bottlings had the "Product of Canada" line on the back of the bottle, but none of the more recent ones do.I know Masterson's is in compliance with 5.36(e), but I haven't had the chance to look over a bottle of Jefferson's 10 year Rye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark fleetwood Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) The crusade continues. Chuck and Steve are quoted in the lead article in today's Denver Post business section. who-hah!http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_26614928/most-liquor-made-factories-no-matter-label Edited September 28, 2014 by mark fleetwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 To arms! To arms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry in WashDC Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 My favorite quote in and from the article, uttered by Double Diamond's (aka Breckenridge's) Bryan Nolt: "Talking to our peers in the industry, there are a lot of folks freaking out about label details," Nolt said. "We are pretty sure we are compliant with TTB guidelines, but like everyone else, we're making sure everything is compliant."Gee. I'm pretty sure I'm in compliance with speed limit details because, talking to my peers, we all agree the posted limit is just a guideline. Lawyers? They're just worry warts who like to say "no".EDIT - I forgot. I AM a lawyer. Well, I wasn't under oath when I wrote that. So, sue me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I believe in this situation "freaking out" means "OMG we're caught". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like Angel's Envy Rye is noncompliant.Release #1 was "CRAFTED BY HAND AND DISTILLED IN KENTUCKY" (COLA). Release #2 was "HAND CRAFTED AND BOTTLED BY LOUISVILLE SPIRITS GROUP, BARDSTOWN, KENTUCKY" (COLA).Given that this is 95% rye from MGPI, it looks like they've gotten the label wrong twice now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Officially, AE Rye isn't a rye whiskey, it's a distilled spirit specialty, as is regular Angel's Envy. Since it's not technically whiskey, it doesn't have to list state of distillation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbanzobean Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Officially, AE Rye isn't a rye whiskey, it's a distilled spirit specialty, as is regular Angel's Envy. Since it's not technically whiskey, it doesn't have to list state of distillation.Sorry for the slight thread hijack, but I was under the impression that the TTB officially designates categories for spirits. Either way, do you know why this happens to be considered a distilled spirit specialty when other finished bourbons and ryes end up being categorized under one of the other myriad TTB categories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadewood Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 AE Rye release #1 says distilled in KY and that was a total mistake. I talked to Wes Henderson about it and it was something that just slipped through; water under the bridge now. We all know where 95% Rye comes from.As far as if something is a DSS (distilled spirits specialty) or a whiskey and requires the state to be listed, I think the difference lies in the fact that DSS are formulated products (and require a formula to be submitted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Officially, AE Rye isn't a rye whiskey, it's a distilled spirit specialty, as is regular Angel's Envy. Since it's not technically whiskey, it doesn't have to list state of distillation.Thank you Chuck, I stand corrected.I did not notice the classification, which I assumed was whiskey given the "RYE WHISKEY FINISHED IN CARIBBEAN RUM CASKS" text on the bottle. Is there any subtlety in the labeling that I missed that could indicate classification as DSS, rather than whiskey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Distilled Spirits Specialty (DSS) is on the COLA but not on the label. It is TTB's great catchall. "Rye Whiskey Finished in Caribbean Rum Casks" is a DSS. Is this a case where labeling consistent with the rules increases the confusion? Yes, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadewood Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=14219001000092Here is a new one for Hirsch Selected Straight Bourbon Whiskey. This likely fails 5.36 (d) as I don't think it was distilled in Ohio. But there is another obvious mistake, who can spot it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfish Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 But there is another obvious mistake, who can spot it?"Handmade" - Just like Tito's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiobourbon Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=14219001000092Here is a new one for Hirsch Selected Straight Bourbon Whiskey. This likely fails 5.36 (d) as I don't think it was distilled in Ohio. But there is another obvious mistake, who can spot it?the age statement is not in a permitted format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nillion Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=14219001000092Here is a new one for Hirsch Selected Straight Bourbon Whiskey. This likely fails 5.36 (d) as I don't think it was distilled in Ohio. But there is another obvious mistake, who can spot it? I like the "Inspired by the quality of A.H. Hirsch" on the front label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadewood Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 the age statement is not in a permitted format. Bingo. They state whiskey is between 4 and 6 years old. You can only state the age of the youngest whiskey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleCBreese Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Bingo. They state whiskey is between 4 and 6 years old. You can only state the age of the youngest whiskey.Didn't the WT Diamond do the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanstaafl2 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Didn't the WT Diamond do the same thing?Diamond is a bit different. It says it is a "very rare" blend of 13 to 16yo hand selected barrels. I think saying it is a blend gets them off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadewood Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Diamond is a bit different. It says it is a "very rare" blend of 13 to 16yo hand selected barrels. I think saying it is a blend gets them off the hook. No, it doesn't. I had not noticed this before by just checked the label and find Wild Turkey guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadewood Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 updated the list - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LmOwA29TLM6A7qjljNPvujtVC6R90GgQBKGBXzCulc0/edit#gid=1000300781Now at 83, but includes 2 labels that Templeton surrendered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark fleetwood Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 updated the list - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LmOwA29TLM6A7qjljNPvujtVC6R90GgQBKGBXzCulc0/edit#gid=1000300781Now at 83, but includes 2 labels that Templeton surrendered.Ambrose Burnside has his own bourbon? The bourbon of incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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