Quantum Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Oh, I took that to mean they wanted a list so they could go after the makers of the improperly labeled bourbons. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) I believe Traverse City Whiskey Company is also in violation of the state of distillilation rule. Edited April 30, 2014 by Josh Nobody cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithford Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Jefferson's Reserve - 14051001000011A recently spotted bottle of this has a vertical label on the side which says "Distilled in Indiana. Bottled for McLain & Kyne, Louisville, Kentucky." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clindt Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 In addition to violating section 5.36 (d) that Chuck posted, I think these also violate section 5.34 (a):§5.34 Brand names.(a) Misleading brand names. No label shall contain any brand name, which, standing alone, or in association with other printed or graphic matter, creates any impression or inference as to the age, origin, identity, or other characteristics of the product unless the appropriate TTB officer finds that such brand name (when appropriately qualified if required) conveys no erroneous impressions as to the age, origin, identity, or other characteristics of the product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry in WashDC Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) I thought about that interpretation of the stuff about the ATF officer, Harry, but if you read it carefully, it doesn't give the officer unlimited discretion. It only lets him or her make a tighter restriction in cases where the otherwise okay labeling might be misleading . . .[snipped the rest] Edited May 12, 2014 by Harry in WashDC to clarify a quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 It's plain old deception for the purpose of monetary gain. If there is any question the regulators should err on the side of the consumer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry in WashDC Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 It's plain old deception for the purpose of monetary gain. If there is any question the regulators should err on the side of the consumer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Road trip to DC, we meet at Harry's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveOfAtl Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 An interesting Twitter exchange started between myself, Fred Minnick, and Templeton last night and continuing into this morning. Templeton's logic strains credulity. Check it out at this link. You should be able to see the responses flowing from Fred's original post. https://twitter.com/fredminnick/status/466376542860218368 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyOldKyDram Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Olympic level verbal gymnastics, there. Jeebus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunnelTiger Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Thanks for the link! Now that is some impressive evasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 It is what we say it is, now will that be cash or credit card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRich Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 This should apply to Barton and Charter.I would think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisko Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I would think so.I concur. I always assumed that the reason other "fake age" brands use language like "No. 10 Brand" or "Old No. 7 Brand" or "Superior No. 12 brand" (EW1783, JD, and GD respectively) was specifically to comply with this section, in letter if not in spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Certainly not in spirit. Producers claim to be moving away from 'Old' labels but they sure use old as a fall back in their advertizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveOfAtl Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I wrote a blog post about Templeton's bizarre defense of its labeling if anyone is interested.http://atlepicurean.blogspot.com/2014/05/like-al-capone-templeton-rye-may-be-in.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunnelTiger Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Excellent blog post Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutton Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Laughed out loud when I saw Wade's tweet at the end of that string ... kind of put an abrupt end to that discussion. Still laughing ... Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveOfAtl Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Haha, Templeton sure clammed up after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbroo5880i Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Yes, very well written blog post Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gburger Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 http://fredminnick.com/private-citizens-pursue-deceitful-whiskey-brands-federal-government/Fred Minnick's latest blog has Wade's comments on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I added a comment (my first ever) to the effect everyone dislikes being deceived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbroo5880i Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I know it is not the same thing but how can a consumer (or the government) verify that Bulleit is in compliance if the label indicates that it was distilled by a fictitious distillery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I believe they should do away with all the fictitious distilleries on all labels and list the true distillery, location and DSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunnelTiger Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 After reading a blog yesterday (forgive me for not remembering whose) one thing that now stands out to me is why haven't any of the major distillers like JD, Diageo, BT, Beam, etc filed a fromal complaint with the government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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