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The Black Tot
4 hours ago, JoeTerp said:

But this has the K's in there.  OBSK seems to be as absent as either of the O's on barrel picks and the K's frequently are contributors to the LESmB's.

I seem to have seen a fair few K picks this last year. But no Os - alas.

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kcgumbohead

While initially intrigued by this release, as I thought more about the timing of it and the tales of strained stocks prior to its announcement, I couldn't help but wonder, why?  I gave it a shot but couldn't justify a purchase based on my tastings. On the other hand the YL showed much better than I remember as did the std smb. but the smb SL reminds me of a pack of dogs all vying for attention. Where the std smb rolls out its various recipes in a linear fashion the smb select is more like whack a mole, recipes popping up randomly and disappearing then reappearing... just not the harmony I was looking for.

It appears to be a rather polarizing release, its has its fans and detractors but not much middle ground. I am certainly a big time 4R fan but this is just a miss for me, not bad but not good enough to either spend less than a good PS or more than a good std SB. 

This release actually made me think again about the YL at barrel proof, a topic that was a popular "what if" a few years back. I even tried one when I had all 10 open. If beyond a certain number of recipes and above a certain proof, with all those strong flavors bouncing around, perhaps its too much of a good thing and 80p is where YL belongs? The balance is quite nice and after having Smb SL I question whether YLBS would suffer a similar fate, but I would certainly LOVE to try it.

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JCwhammie
7 minutes ago, kcgumbohead said:

While initially intrigued by this release, as I thought more about the timing of it and the tales of strained stocks prior to its announcement, I couldn't help but wonder, why?  I gave it a shot but couldn't justify a purchase based on my tastings. On the other hand the YL showed much better than I remember as did the std smb. but the smb SL reminds me of a pack of dogs all vying for attention. Where the std smb rolls out its various recipes in a linear fashion the smb select is more like whack a mole, recipes popping up randomly and disappearing then reappearing... just not the harmony I was looking for.

It appears to be a rather polarizing release, its has its fans and detractors but not much middle ground. I am certainly a big time 4R fan but this is just a miss for me, not bad but not good enough to either spend less than a good PS or more than a good std SB. 

This release actually made me think again about the YL at barrel proof, a topic that was a popular "what if" a few years back. I even tried one when I had all 10 open. If beyond a certain number of recipes and above a certain proof, with all those strong flavors bouncing around, perhaps its too much of a good thing and 80p is where YL belongs? The balance is quite nice and after having Smb SL I question whether YLBS would suffer a similar fate, but I would certainly LOVE to try it.

I'd love to try a BIB YL (maybe it would be difficult to have a consistent product having all 10 recipes being distilled in one season, so maybe do a 100 proof aged 5-6 years)

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kcgumbohead
2 hours ago, JCwhammie said:

I'd love to try a BIB YL (maybe it would be difficult to have a consistent product having all 10 recipes being distilled in one season, so maybe do a 100 proof aged 5-6 years)

A cask strength YL would be easier as there wouldn't be any of the constraints of BiB not to mention that labor intensive proofing down with water business. Oh and lets NCF while we're at it LOL!!

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flahute
1 hour ago, kcgumbohead said:

A cask strength YL would be easier as there wouldn't be any of the constraints of BiB not to mention that labor intensive proofing down with water business. Oh and lets NCF while we're at it LOL!!

If you want to try cask strength yellow label, grab some Bulliet barrel strength. It's pretty close.

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JCwhammie
5 hours ago, kcgumbohead said:

A cask strength YL would be easier as there wouldn't be any of the constraints of BiB not to mention that labor intensive proofing down with water business. Oh and lets NCF while we're at it LOL!!

If they'd just give us free rein of Cox Creek for 1 day we could have some fun! 

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JoeTerp
On 5/16/2019 at 12:43 AM, Mako254 said:

Making anothe run at this...

 

Saw an interview w/ BE that (I think) one of the pursuit boys posted:

-F makes up less thab 5% of yellow/mellow label

-F production was bumped with the idea of a new offering in mind

-reading between the lines, 104 wasn’t random. They needed flexibility with available stocks and something 110+ would have painted them in a corner so to speak. 

 

Mako254 thinks:

-OBSK, OESK, OBSV, OESV are immediate buys if a decent price. 

-This is devastatingly sippable. It has enough proof and mouthfeel to satisfy. I still find the finish lacking 

-at $49.99 I’m absolutely a buyer and pouring frequently 

-at $59.99 it falls into the 1920 slot. A solid and consistent bottle but at $65 otd, I’m buying a store pick Russell’s or private select Roses. 

 

Mako

Team OBSK here (and the V’s are my second favorite as well). 

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JoeTerp
On 5/16/2019 at 1:44 AM, The Black Tot said:

I seem to have seen a fair few K picks this last year. But no Os - alas.

All the K’s I’ve seen have been OESK. I haven’t seen any OBSK (otherwise they would likely follow me home). 

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The Black Tot
2 minutes ago, JoeTerp said:

All the K’s I’ve seen have been OESK. I haven’t seen any OBSK (otherwise they would likely follow me home). 

 

Yes, come to think of it, the ones I've seen were OESK as well.

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flahute
1 hour ago, JoeTerp said:

All the K’s I’ve seen have been OESK. I haven’t seen any OBSK (otherwise they would likely follow me home). 

 

1 hour ago, The Black Tot said:

 

Yes, come to think of it, the ones I've seen were OESK as well.

OBSK has been out of the program for a while.

As of a couple weeks ago it's back in, though it's young.

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JoeTerp
2 hours ago, flahute said:

 

OBSK has been out of the program for a while.

As of a couple weeks ago it's back in, though it's young.

While going through Tennessee in January I found an OESO.  I hadn't seen any O's in a while (although living in Virginia I only see the 100 proof OBSV's).  This one was just at the minimum 8 years.

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Paddy

With a bunker full of Rutledge era 11-15 year old PS bottles purchased for under $50, I'm still having a hard time getting on this train. 

 

Anyone got anything yet that's going to change my opinion?  So far, the posts look like it's kind of meh. 

 

Until someone (I trust) tells me that the $52 (current local) is better than a WTKS or ECBP, ima gonna keep dropping that fiddy+(when I'm in the market for a stock addition) on something else. 

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smokinjoe
17 minutes ago, Paddy said:

With a bunker full of Rutledge era 11-15 year old PS bottles purchased for under $50, I'm still having a hard time getting on this train. 

 

Anyone got anything yet that's going to change my opinion?  So far, the posts look like it's kind of meh. Thanks 

 

Until someone (I trust) tells me that the $52 (current local) is better than a WTKS or ECBP, ima gonna keep dropping that fiddy+(when I'm in the market for a stock addition) on something else. 

This 4R is nowhere in the same league as ECBP for my tastes (and money).  ECBP is superior in every measurable category, to me.  I keep trying to find a connection to this 4R bottling, but just haven’t so far.  

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flahute
19 minutes ago, Paddy said:

.Until someone (I trust) tells me that the $52 (current local) is better than a WTKS or ECBP, ima gonna keep dropping that fiddy+(when I'm in the market for a stock addition) on something else. 

Welp...........I see more ECBP in your future. 

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Vosgar
25 minutes ago, Paddy said:

With a bunker full of Rutledge era 11-15 year old PS bottles purchased for under $50, I'm still having a hard time getting on this train. 

My stash is mostly 10-12yr PS bottles, but otherwise I'm right there with you. I tried the Select during the Sampler and while I liked it, there was nothing special enough about it to make me want to buy any. 

 

I'm spoiled

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fishnbowljoe

What Joe and Gary said. The one positive to me is that I do find this marginally better than regular FRSmB. But then again, FRSmB is my least favorite FR expression. :mellow:

 

Biba! Joe

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HoustonNit
I seem to have seen a fair few K picks this last year. But no Os - alas.


Oddly enough when I was back home last Thanksgiving I stumbled upon a liquor store that had several barrel strength 4R BS picks that didn’t have the side stickers. The clerk showed me a printed out email that had the recipes listed. I was in a rush, and had hit my allocation of bottles to bring back home so snapped a picture and left.

Was cleaning out pictures today and finally took a look. Holy crap the email was from early 2016 one of there customers emailed 4R with the barrel numbers to get recipe information. In 2016 they had nine barrels and as of last November still had a 12yr 1month OESO. Picks most be ore 2016. May need to call my relatives to run an errand for me...

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