JVande Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I apologize if this question is embedded within this thread as I did not see it brought up in the previous few pages. I have seen the fact sheet and others reference the 2012 WLW as 130 proof. My 2 bottles from the 2012 release are 123.4 proof. I have never heard of multiple batches for this release. Any insight or comparative thoughts between the 2 proofs would be appreciated. Also, I wonder if the age is the same as provided in the fact sheet for the 130 proof and the 123.4 proof bottling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callmeox Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 The online fact sheet lists 123.4 proof. Where are you seeing 130 proof for the 2012 WlW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVande Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share Posted July 15, 2013 I think I figured it out - Some bloggers (more than 3) used the "proof off still" rather than "bottle proof" when listing/reviewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callmeox Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I think I figured it out - Some bloggers (more than 3) used the "proof off still" rather than "bottle proof" when listing/reviewing. Oh those bloggers. Take a mild interest in something and a bit of Wordpress knowledge and you too can be an expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WsmataU Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Call me an optimist, but now that we are 1/2 way through summer....Are there any estimates on the Fall '13 release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barturtle Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I think I figured it out - Some bloggers (more than 3) used the "proof off still" rather than "bottle proof" when listing/reviewing.That's because bigger numbers are better. Just ask BT, that's why the proofs on Stagg are all so high these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joboyd Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Call me an optimist, but now that we are 1/2 way through summer....Are there any estimates on the Fall '13 release?I asked that while at the BT distillery on Saturday. Was told "October." I said "Late October?" And they said "No, October."So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dementedavenger Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 [h=2]George T. Stagg 2013 - 128.2-proof; William Larue Weller 2013 - 136.2-proof [/h] Randomly spotted this on the Sazerac website.See the Product Specs section for George T. Stagg: http://www.sazerac.com/BrandPortfoli...FID=231&NBid=1And for William Larue Weller: http://www.sazerac.com/BrandPortfoli...FID=195&NBid=1Eagle Rare 17 still 90-proof: http://www.sazerac.com/BrandPortfoli...&FID=64&NBid=1No info on Thomas H. Handy or Sazerac 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark fleetwood Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) George T. Stagg 2013 - 128.2-proof; William Larue Weller 2013 - 136.2-proof Randomly spotted this on the Sazerac website.See the Product Specs section for George T. Stagg: http://www.sazerac.com/BrandPortfoli...FID=231&NBid=1And for William Larue Weller: http://www.sazerac.com/BrandPortfoli...FID=195&NBid=1Eagle Rare 17 still 90-proof: http://www.sazerac.com/BrandPortfoli...&FID=64&NBid=1No info on Thomas H. Handy or Sazerac 18.How can 2013 poppy Stagg have nearly 10% less proof than before? Looking back through fact sheets Geo T hasn't dropped below 140 since at least 2006. And when announcing Stagg Jr they said it would have no effect on Geo T barrels. They do note this release as being 15yrs... possible that 2 fewer years of aging this go-round produces that much less proof? Chemists, begin! Edited August 5, 2013 by mark fleetwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighInTheMtns Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 How can 2013 poppy Stagg have nearly 10% less proof than before? Looking back through fact sheets Geo T hasn't dropped below 140 since at least 2006. And when announcing Stagg Jr they said it would have no effect on Geo T barrels. They do note this release as being 15yrs... possible that 2 fewer years of aging this go-round produces that much less proof? Chemists, begin!They selected lower proof barrels for this release. That's all there is to it. I for one am excited for this lower proof release. A little wary of that WLW though, sure didn't like the high proof 2009 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanstaafl2 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 How can 2013 poppy Stagg have nearly 10% less proof than before? Looking back through fact sheets Geo T hasn't dropped below 140 since at least 2006. And when announcing Stagg Jr they said it would have no effect on Geo T barrels. They do note this release as being 15yrs... possible that 2 fewer years of aging this go-round produces that much less proof? Chemists, begin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosugoji64 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 The lower age concerns me more than the lower proof. What happened to whatever they put up 17 years ago that they now have to use up 15yo stock?Seems the whiskey shortage is forcing younger whiskey into premium bottles. That said, I'm still optimistic. It's the flavor that matters over age or proof. I'm hoping they can pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_elliott Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) Remember when they say the age of a bourbon they have to go with the youngest whiskey in the mix. Maybe they had some 15 year barrels that had hit their prime and didn't want them to start to start going south on them. Edited August 5, 2013 by p_elliott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I agree with Paul's take on it, age is just one of the factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighInTheMtns Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I didn't do a ton of research but there have been 15 year old GTS releases before. 2007 is one example. Besides, last year's 17 year old release wasn't nearly as beloved as some have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanstaafl2 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I didn't do a ton of research but there have been 15 year old GTS releases before. 2007 is one example. Besides, last year's 17 year old release wasn't nearly as beloved as some have been.I guess that is what I get for only being familiar with the past few years and not doing my research first! Several past years have been in the 15yo range.2005 15y4m 141.2pf2006 16y3m 140.6pf2007 15y6m 144.7pf2008 15y6m 141.8pf2009 16y7m 141.4pf2010 17y7m 143.0pf2011 18y5m 142.6pf2012 16y9m 142.8pf2013 15y?m 128.2pf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark fleetwood Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I guess that is what I get for only being familiar with the past few years and not doing my research first! Several past years have been in the 15yo range.2005 15y4m 141.2pf2006 16y3m 140.6pf2007 15y6m 144.7pf2008 15y6m 141.8pf2009 16y7m 141.4pf2010 17y7m 143.0pf2011 18y5m 142.6pf2012 16y9m 142.8pf2013 15y?m 128.2pfnow this make it even more confusing (to an Indiana publik sckool product like me). In the past, 15yr old editions still produced proof north of 140. As Paul theorizes, probably just a larger share of 15yr old barrels than before but in the interest of keeping a conspiracy going and wasting more time here at work I'm going to email BT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutton Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Perhaps no conspiracy whatsoever - they bottled to the taste profile, they found the barrels that met it, and maybe they just came off lower floors this year. I wouldn't over think it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanstaafl2 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 now this make it even more confusing (to an Indiana publik sckool product like me). In the past, 15yr old editions still produced proof north of 140. As Paul theorizes, probably just a larger share of 15yr old barrels than before but in the interest of keeping a conspiracy going and wasting more time here at work I'm going to email BT.I bame global warming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighInTheMtns Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 now this make it even more confusing (to an Indiana publik sckool product like me). In the past, 15yr old editions still produced proof north of 140. As Paul theorizes, probably just a larger share of 15yr old barrels than before but in the interest of keeping a conspiracy going and wasting more time here at work I'm going to email BT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark fleetwood Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 From Kris Comstock at BT: "We were surprised by the proof too, but think because many of the barrels were aged on the first and second floors, the proof didn’t esculate as it sometimes does. Nevertheless, we think the taste is as good as ever." I asked them if they had plans for 18-19yr old GrandDad Stagg at 145-150 proof but, alas, no reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinjoe Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 2004 had a lower proof and people love it. I'm one of those people! . The 129 proof 2004 is fabulous. Since more than a few folks have been less than impressed with some of the latter years of GTS (which seem to be very high in the proof category), maybe this year's will be just what the doctor ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryT Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I haven't had the opportunity/pleasure to do SBS tastings of multiple years of GTS, but I don't ever recall meeting one I didn't like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qman22 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 http://www.buffalotracemediakit.com/pdf/Antique%20Collection%202013%20News%20Rls%20FINAL%208-21-13.pdfHere are the details to this years releases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barturtle Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 http://www.buffalotracemediakit.com/pdf/Antique%20Collection%202013%20News%20Rls%20FINAL%208-21-13.pdfHere are the details to this years releasesHopefully soon, we'll have the full info sheets, as that is lacking many of the details, such as number of barrels, % lost to evaporation and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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