TNbourbon Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 It'll be interesting to note your take on the rye. I'm a relative newbie among bourbonites, and I like the variety of ages, flavors, styles, etc. -- but I was pleasantly surprised when I finally tried straight rye. I, too, started with the VWFR 13yo, and have also enjoyed my-now-half-empty WT rye. I'm beginning to suspect I prefer it to the bourbon, though the lack of available similar variety is a bit disheartening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSBourbon1 Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 I think that I have to give the rye a chance. I noticed a peppery aroma as I kept nosing my pour of VWFR 13 and did eventually find some sweetness. I am not sure if it is because my sinuses are pretty stuffed up right now or not, but I did not notice the complexity of bourbons, which I have become acustomed to, in this rye. I know that it is a rye and not a bourbon and should have expected this, I plan to drink it throughout the week and give it a chance because it seems very different from what I am used to. The jury is still out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_in_Canada Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 TN and SSB: Give the Wild Turkey Rye a good go... you won't be disappointed (IMHO)!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jal Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 I had my first pour of OFBB spring version this afternoon. Fantastic! I think I may have a new favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckky Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 out of curiosity I bought a pint bottle of Jack Daniels #7. I haven't had this in years and I was wondering if with the new bourbon appreciation I have acquired in the past couple of years...in no small part due to SB...how JD would now rate. In a word...simple. very little nose, light taste, no wood at all, no "length" to its taste...in short it was very simple. too beat all though it was relatively expensive...$10.50 locally for a pint bottle. For $11 bucks I can get a FIFTH of Old Forester 86, or a fifth of Evan Williams...on an occasional run to Ky I can get AAA10 yr for 11bucks or Very Old Barton for less than 10 etc etc. What is the attraction??? there marketing is relentless and effective...and every bar I have EVER been in has it.......in my perfect world every bar would have Buffalo Trace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNbourbon Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 For whatever it's worth (as I am not a Jack Daniel's fan myself): whatever you think about it now -- forget about it. They start bottling it at 80-proof after Jan. 1 (it's currently 86 proof), according to what they've told distributors. Seems bound to change it somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcheer Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Back in the day, it was 90 proof. So, this is the second cut that I know of.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckky Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 actually this pint(375) was 80 proof...I was surprised...but not having drank it for such a long time I didn't know if this was standard nor when it may have changed....the store I bought this in is very large so it might be getting some of the "newer" variety of JD sooner than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneCubeOnly Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 They start bottling it [Jack Daniels] at 80-proof after Jan. 1What in the heck are they thinking!? They've got a commanding lead of the spirits market, and now they want an extra '6-proof' profit margin? I guess they never heard of New Coke!?Actually, most JD fans I know drink it as shots or mix with it, so maybe they're hoping nobody will notice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texascarl Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Jim Beam - Black Label, and a glass of my own 'mingled' 86 proof batch. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyc Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------They start bottling it [Jack Daniels] at 80-proof after Jan. 1 To the layman it also means that around 36 million of the 700 million cases of that that they bottle each year can now be filled from the water source at Lynchburg. Brilliant, absolutely Brilliant! Do they charge to tour Jack Daniels yet? <font color="red"> Good God Give George Garvin Brown Some </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurphyDawg Posted November 15, 2003 Author Share Posted November 15, 2003 Woodford Reserve Distillers Select.Its all caramel and vanilla and butter pecans with an nice spicy teist on the end.A great sippin whiskey!TomC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 So I guess they'll pull the green label off the shelves since the Green label JD is 80 proof. Not like I care much about JD but how stupid... Like others have said, they have a commanding lead in the spirits market for your average drinker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneCubeOnly Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Gosh, here we go with those pesky proof/abv calculations again! Wouldn't a 6-proof change translate to a 3% abv change? So, adding an additional 3% water would be .03x700 million = 21 million (not 36 million) cases...wouldn't it!?Is my math screwy, or am I just picking nits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcheer Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Yes, your math is a little off. It is not a 3% change. It is 6/86 or 3/43 (the original value was 86 proof, not 100 proof). This represents a 6.97% reduction from the original base. So, for the stated sales of 700,000,000 cases, the correct answer would be about 48,837,209 cases of water! Of course, I'm picking nits, too. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcheer Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 You are so right, Tom. WR is candy! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 What kind of candy would that be guys? I want to remember never to buy it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneCubeOnly Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Yes, you math is a little off. It is not a 3% change. It is 6/86 or 3/43 (the original value was 86 proof, not 100 proof). This represents a 6.97% reduction from the original base. So, for the stated sales of 700,000,000 cases, the correct answer would be about 48,837,209 cases of water! That can't be right, because you're going from 43% by volume to 40% by volume. The 6.97% might reflect a change in how much total water used compared to BEFORE, but not by total volume. Let's simplify things a little, and assume we're making a straight alcohol-to-water mixture (ie. ultra-pure vodka). We'll also have to assume (which isn't entirely true) that alcohol and water have the same volume. (alcohol and water DO NOT mix equally, so we're simplifying again--1 cup water plus 1 cup ethanol does not yield 2 cups of mix, and there's also that pesky eutectic phenomenon, which we'll also ignore.) Anyway, an 86 proof drink has (again, using our slight simplifications) 43% alcohol, 57% water. For 700mil cases, .57x700mil = 399 mil cases of the mix are Lynchburg water. An 80 proof bottling has 60% water or .6x700mil = 420mil cases of water. 420mil - 399mil = 21mil cases of additional water needed. Aren't nits fun? Watch...we're probably BOTH dead wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyc Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 I based my calculations on a 5.16% change. Now however I don't know how I got there. At 3% or over 6% it is a hell of a lot of water, which is the intended point, water that isn't distilled from a grain mixture, mellowed, loaded into barrels costing 136 bucks apiece, at 52 gallons a pop, age in valuable rickhouse space, for some number of years. John Ed Pearce in " Nothing Better In The Market" says they were told to only cut prices under the sharpest nessessity, and to cut Quality under no circumstances. They had a committee system by which, " Many Minds were brought to Bear" on a problem. I guess they have folks there who are patting themselves on the back for coming up with this idea. ( It's been done before by others) I will stop crying foul if the price is reduced by 3-6 % . That seems fair to me. I'm not holding my breath for that. <font color="brown"> Good God Give Tal Farlow Some </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesbassdad Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Knob Creek. Using my "From my cold, dead hands" tall-boy shotglass.I wish I could make up my mind about KC. I alternate between "Never again!" and "What was I thinking?" This afternoon, as I'm finishing the bottle (with only two healthy pours), it tastes good enough to make me want to replace this bottle ($19.95 at Trader Joe's).Come to think of it, the skinny shotglass may be relevant. If... OK, "when" I buy another bottle, I should really do a glassware comparison.Yours truly,Dave Morefield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcheer Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Maybe its caramel vanilla butter pecan candy!I don't know, but I love it. Its not my top favorite (but its cousin, OFBB, is), but its certainly in my top 15.Different strokes.....Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texascarl Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 If they notice that we've noticed, they can safely reduce the price for a short time to keep their profit margin the same. But watch it creep back up to the current price with no one noticing. Back on topic: Tonite's bourbon is a Wild Turkey Rye Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1 Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Two years ago when I was at the Bourbon Festival I was in one of the larger liquer stores in Bardstown. Asking the owner about the change Brown Forman had made to change Early Times from a Bourbon to a Kentucky Whiskey he commented that Brown Forman were 'whiskey whores'.Maybe that is all there is to it in there relentless drive to produce and prosper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckky Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 last night it was Jim Beam Black...not as good as I remember...its nose said BEAM...pleasant and inoffensive and easy to drink but nothing outstanding...$18 locally... Chuck Cowdery says this is Booker's at 90 proof...Bookers is 50 bucks around here so I only get one or two at restaurants and have never bought a bottle...but I would rather get those occasional drinks than buy the JB Black in bottle again anytime soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNbourbon Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 The Jack Daniel's Green Label #7 (marketed in only a handful of states) is another interesting story. We were wondering how it is different from the JD Black #7 one day and decided to email the company and ask. While I can't recall the name of the respondent from memory, his response was very memorable: the JD Green Label is the same as the Black Label (except for proof -- 80 vs. 86 -- though that only until January) except that the tasters didn't think it met their standards for Black. Simple as that. It's just (even more?) inferior Jack Daniel's Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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