Where's Your Dickel?

[smokinjoe]

Ah, so my Black label Cascade Hollow is now a collectors item?

And, we know of course, that the black label CH is definitely better tasting. A more rich and flavorful pour, with a longer finish than the Red.

JOE

[cowdery]

And, we know of course, that the black label CH is definitely better tasting. A more rich and flavorful pour, with a longer finish than the Red.

JOE

Troublemaker!!! (I approve, by the way.)

[TNbourbon]

And, we know of course, that the black label CH is definitely better tasting. A more rich and flavorful pour, with a longer finish than the Red.

JOE

Well, the black-label CH is dreck, so I guess the new, younger red-label is just "Ecckk!"

[cowdery]

I haven't had it. Is it bad just for being young, or is there more than that wrong with it?

[TNbourbon]

I haven't had it. Is it bad just for being young, or is there more than that wrong with it?

It just tasted bad, Chuck, whether from youth (and I've had white dog and young-ish whiskey I liked) or some other factor. Fortunately, I don't have any left (I cooked it as marinade, drowned it in cola, etc.) by which to give a more exact description, and don't hope to buy any more.

I know at least one member here (who shall remain nameless unless s/he 'outs' oneself) tasted a recent sample of new-make #8 (not Cascade Hollow), and had pretty much the same impression. I think, in that case, it got dumped out.

[Gillman]

I had it once and felt it was young-tasting. It seemed not that all that different, from, say the current Ancient Age if you added a little Tennessee character to it. Good for mixing or cooking as Tim said, but not a sipper as I define it.

Gary

[smokinjoe]

Uh, guys, you're killing my market here... So listen up. Besides being EXTREMELY rare, it has been mentioned that the OLD black label CH may have been from stock that was from a long forgotten rick house at Dickel. Some have said that the flavor profile fits very closely with the revered cheesy, gold foil labeled WT12. Rumor also has it, that there might be a legal issue with the black label CH, that quite possibly could warrant a massive recall of bottles, not unlike the Ridgemont/Ridgeford Reserve controversy of years back. AND, if industry insiders are correct (and when haven't they proven to be), that the black labeled CH, undoubtably could be named "Whisk(e)y of the Year". I can't be certain, but a rating of "99" has been tossed about...

Are we CLEAR now??????

(Oh, BTW, if anyone should be looking for one of these treasured bottles, please PM me.)

JOE

[Gillman]

I'm not putting it down, just describing its character. If I could buy some I would. There are many whiskeys I buy that have a taste similar to what's described because I don't only like whiskey that tastes of old wood, maple sugar and ashes. I also like whiskey that is less mature than that because it has whiskey taste. Any rarity is a bonus.

Gary

[jeff]

Uh, guys, you're killing my market here... So listen up. Besides being EXTREMELY rare, it has been mentioned that the OLD black label CH may have been from stock that was from a long forgotten rick house at Dickel. Some have said that the flavor profile fits very closely with the revered cheesy, gold foil labeled WT12. Rumor also has it, that there might be a legal issue with the black label CH, that quite possibly could warrant a massive recall of bottles, not unlike the Ridgemont/Ridgeford Reserve controversy of years back. AND, if industry insiders are correct (and when haven't they proven to be), that the black labeled CH, undoubtably could be named "Whisk(e)y of the Year". I can't be certain, but a rating of "99" has been tossed about...

Are we CLEAR now??????

(Oh, BTW, if anyone should be looking for one of these treasured bottles, please PM me.)

JOE

I'm in for a case! :yum:

[craigthom]

Meijer in Louisville (and perhaps in their other locations) has the 750ml of No. 12 on sale for under $15.

[smokinjoe]

Troublemaker!!! (I approve, by the way.)

Thanks, Chuck.

As good an endorsement, as I could ever hope to receive!

:toast:

JOE

[TBoner]

I had two pours of Dickel No. 12 this afternoon, "07" stamped on the bottle. I bought them early this year from a store with known high turnover, so it is a recent bottling. It's absolutely fantastic: cocoa, a bit of nuttiness, and deliciously polished oak flavor dancing with a touch of spice. I would assume based on what I've read here that any 12 that's rolled out right now or in the last year would be the same or similar whiskey, and if that's the case, I need to buy more than the 5 bottles I have archived. This current 12 is the best Tennesse whiskey I've ever had (though admittedly I haven't tasted much vintage stuff), and it is among the finest American whiskey being produced today IMO. So, it appears from what I've read that any No. 12 that rolls out in the next year or more will still be from the stocks that have been sitting for a decade or so. If I'm wrong, let me know. In the meantime, I'm going back for more and more and more of this.

Regards,

[funknik]

I live in an area (Maine) that is fairly whiskey deficient as far as selection goes and I buy Dickel No. 12 regularly and haven't seen any interruption of supply (thank God!). Of course, it could be back stock, I don't know how popular it is.

[cowdery]

I can remember when Dickel was almost as common as Jack, but not anymore. That had nothing to do with the shortage. The brand has been foundering for years.

So, what do people up there drink?

[BourbonJoe]

Dickel may be foundering but I much prefer the No. 12 to Jack. It's just much better whiskey IMO.

Joe :usflag:

[MJL]

To be frank Dickel is one of my favorite brands and one I taste 5 times a week at the least. I think it is highly underrated, particularly considering the massive marketing campaign that Jack Daniels as seems to have on. If one has not tried some Dickel please do so. It has a nose that lingers in your nostrils, opens your sinuses and hangs in your memory.

[TNVoodooChilli]

I stopped by the store at Turkey Creek in Knoxville, TN and they had No. 8. No. 12, and the Cascade Hollow on hand. Picked up a bottle of the Cascade Hollow and find it to be pretty good, although I think I prefer the No. 8.

Personally, I think the Dickel is much better than the JD and a lot cheaper. It can stay a well-kept secret as far as I'm conerned: I like being able to find it on the shelves whenever I go looking for it.

[funknik]

I can remember when Dickel was almost as common as Jack, but not anymore. That had nothing to do with the shortage. The brand has been foundering for years.

So, what do people up there drink?

It's a lot of Jack & Beam -- but like everywhere most bars have Knob Creek and/or Maker's -- Basil Hayden is creeping into a lot of my local watering holes but too pricey to buy by the drink. It seems there's a lack of adventure up here -- bottles that I read about regularly in this forum (Buffalo Trace, Four Roses, Van Winkle) I have never seen or heard of and not for lack of trying.

[MJL]

I have great luck giving a local small liquor chain a "want" list. The buyer emailed me directly and has been pretty good at filling my wants.

[cowdery]

If you don't mind, how about a roll call. Who can presently find George Dickel No. 8 brand where they live? Recent sightings only, please.

Be sure to tell us where you are.

Bonus question: is George Dickel Cascade Hollow Recipe available there as well?

[barturtle]

If you don't mind, how about a roll call. Who can presently find George Dickel No. 8 brand where they live? Recent sightings only, please.

Be sure to tell us where you are.

Bonus question: is George Dickel Cascade Hollow Recipe available there as well?

Yes, is the last couple weeks, in Louisville, both No.8 and Cascade.

[marco246]

I've seen no #8 nor Cascade here on the Big Island, but did score some #12 a couple of weeks ago.

[OscarV]

No #8 or CH in MI.

[Tennessee Dave]

Good supply of all Dickel products here in Chattanooga.

[Dramiel McHinson]

Here in North Alabama the #8 is making a comeback while the #12 is dwindling. The Barrel Select #2 with the squarish bottle and cream colored label is extremely rare. The Cascade Hollow is now showing up in a bright red label next to the Cascade Hollow black label. I had heard they were going to make a change to the Cascade Hollow so it wouldn't be mistaken for the #8. Maybe the fire engine red label is our best clue.