OscarV Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 UpdatedLetter AbbreviationsO-.................The 1st letter=Produced at the Four Roses Distillery in Lawrenceburg, KY.B/E-.............The 2nd letter=The mashbill.S-.................The 3rd letter=Straight whiskey DistillationV/K/O/Q/F-..The 4th letter=The yeast strainMashbillsB=60% corn, 35% rye, 5% malted barleyE=75% corn, 20% rye, 5% malted barleyYeast CultureV=Delicate Fruity FlavorK=Slight Spice CharacterO=Robust FruitinessQ=Floral EssenceF=Light Herbal EssenceThe Ten Recipes And Where They Have Been UsedOBSV-Single Barrel & 2008 Mariage & 2010 1B 100th Ann & 2010 SmB LEOBSK-Small Batch & 2008 1B 120th Ann & 2009 Mariage* & 2010 SmB LE & 2011 SmB LEOBSO-Small BatchOBSQ-2011 1B LEOBSF-OESV-2011 SmB LEOESK-Small Batch & 2008 Mariage & 2010SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE & 2012 1B LEOESO-Small Batch & 2007 1B Rutledge 40th Ann & 2009 MariageOESQ-2009 1B LE & 2011 SmB LEOESF-*=10yo and 19yo OBSK was used in the 2009 Mariage, so there was a vatting of 3 bourbons in that bottle.Four Roses Bourbon or as commonly referred to as "Yellow Label" uses all 10 recipes plus 4 at different ages for a total of 14 bourbons in that bottleYour welcome:grin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucker Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 UpdatedThanks...and good to see you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yountvillewjs Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I absolutely want one of these. If anyone goes, please PM me.http://www.derbymuseum.org/news/?p=489 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshani Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 MashbillsB=60% corn, 35% rye, 5% malted barleyE=75% corn, 20% rye, 5% malted barleyInterestingly, LDI makes two bourbon mashbills that are nearly identical, except each has only 4% malted barley - the missing percent going to the rye.I've long been curious just exactly how the ten mashbills and five yeasts got started, and when. I suspect it started with Seagram, who not only were blenders but who distilled from a wide variety of mashbills and yeasts so they could build a palette from which to choose fillings for their blends. During the Frankfort Distillers days, Four Roses was advertised as a blend of straight whiskeys (as was its sibling Paul Jones), and sold at 90 proof. But during the post-Prohibition and WWII eras, this was not unusual. Many blends of straight whiskeys were sold, undoubtedly because keeping aged whiskey in stock was difficult. But the general trend was to use a small amount of aged whiskey to flavor a larger amount of whiskey that was under two years old; that is a far cry from what Four Roses does today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restaurant man Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Jim told me the yeasts came from Seagrams. He had access to all of the segrams yeasts at that time. Apparently there are hundreds of yeasts. Most are mutations all kept alive just in case :hot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocoins Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 What are everyone's thoughts on the 2012 LE 1B? I find it to be quite sublime... I need more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yountvillewjs Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I haven't seen this on the shelves anywhere yet -- where has it surfaced so far?I haven't seen it yet. Will pick one up when I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeItWasSodaPop Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Someone posted upthread on a Derby Museum SB selection, but that link just don't work for me. Curious about this particular bottling, I searched for info and found this wonderful video, which, though lacking in any information whatsoever (i.e. the recipe they picked, etc.), is still, like, really awesome in a jealousy-inducing way. Who wouldn't want to do a tasting at 4R? And them pours is healthy. Mostly. I love the moment at around 1:10 where the 4R dude (looks like Ruteledge?) gets to the end of the supply in his barrel extraction pourer thingy, and the lady in pearls tilts her glass in a way that clearly says, "WTF? WEAK POUR." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightNoChaser Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I haven't seen this on the shelves anywhere yet -- where has it surfaced so far?Glazer's just dumped 5 or 6 cases on DFW. I know where two of them went. Trying to get some more in at my local shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OscarV Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 The 2012 Small Batch Limited Edition has not yet been released but we know thw recipes they contain.They are, OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK.Chart updated.Letter AbbreviationsO-...............The 1st letter=Produced at the Four Roses Distillery in Lawrenceburg, KY.B/E-.............The 2nd letter=The Mashbill.S-...............The 3rd letter=Straight Whiskey DistillationV/K/O/Q/F-...The 4th letter=The Yeast StrainMashbillsB=60% corn, 35% rye, 5% malted barleyE=75% corn, 20% rye, 5% malted barleyYeast CultureV=Delicate Fruity FlavorK=Slight Spice CharacterO=Robust FruitinessQ=Floral EssenceF=Light Herbal EssenceThe Ten Recipes And Where They Have Been UsedOBSV-Single Barrel & 2008 Mariage & 2010 1B 100th Ann & 2010 SmB LE & 2012 SmB LE**OBSK-Small Batch & 2008 1B LE 120th Ann & 2009 Mariage* & 2010 SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE & 2012 SmB LEOBSO-Small BatchOBSQ-2011 1B LEOBSF-OESV-2011 SmB LEOESK-Small Batch & 2008 Mariage & 2010 SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE & 2012 1B LE & 2012 SmB LEOESO-Small Batch & 2007 1B LE Rutledge 40th Ann & 2009 MariageOESQ-2009 1B LE & 2011 SmB LEOESF-*=19yo and 10yo OBSK was used in the 2009 Mariage, so there was a vatting of 3 bourbons in that bottle.**=17yo and 11yo OBSV was used in the 2012 SmB LE, so there was a vatting of 4 bourbons in that bottle.Four Roses Bourbon or as commonly referred to as "Yellow Label" uses all 10 recipes plus 4 at different ages for a total of 14 bourbons in that bottle. Below is the same info as above but with bottle releases as the header.Single Barrel-OBSV2007 1B LE-OESO2008 1B LE-OBSK2009 1B LE-OESQ2010 1B LE-OBSV2011 1B LE-OBSQ2012 1B LE-OESKSmall Batch-OBSK,OBSO, OESK, OESO2008 Mariage-OBSV, OESK2009 Mariage-OBSK 19yo & 10yo, OESO2010 SmB LE-OBSV, OBSK, OESK2011 SmB LE-OBSK, OESK, OESV, OESQ2012 SmB LE-OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanstaafl2 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Below is the same info as above but with bottle releases as the header.Single Barrel-OBSV2007 1B LE-OESO2008 1B LE-OBSK2009 1B LE-OESQ2010 1B LE-OBSV2011 1B LE-OBSQ2012 1B LE-OESKSmall Batch-OBSK,OBSO, OESK, OESO2008 Mariage-OBSV, OESK2009 Mariage-OBSK 19yo & 10yo, OESO2010 SmB LE-OBSV, OBSK, OESK2011 SmB LE-OBSK, OESK, OESV, OESQ2012 SmB LE-OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffrey r Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 For the 2011, thirteen year old OBSK, thirteen year old OESQ, twelve year old OESV and eleven year old OESK.http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?16350-2011-Four-Roses-Small-Batch-Limited-Edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanstaafl2 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 For the 2011, thirteen year old OBSK, thirteen year old OESQ, twelve year old OESV and eleven year old OESK.http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?16350-2011-Four-Roses-Small-Batch-Limited-Edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OscarV Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 The Four Roses site doesn't seem to include the OBSK or OESV in the 2011 LE SmB. It shows OBSQ, OESQ and OESK. Of course it could certainly be wrong! It also doesn't seem to show the 2010 LE SmB at all which on this list is the same recipes used as the 2012 (with different ages of course). Can anyone clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I always appreciate first hand impressions Oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OscarV Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share Posted February 23, 2013 As Scott posted here,...http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?18955-Four-Roses-LE-Single-Barrel-2013The 2013 Four Roses Single Barrel Limited Edition will be the OBSK recipe, the same as 2008.Chart updated.Letter AbbreviationsO-...............The 1st letter=Produced at the Four Roses Distillery in Lawrenceburg, KY.B/E-.............The 2nd letter=The Mashbill.S-...............The 3rd letter=Straight Whiskey DistillationV/K/O/Q/F-...The 4th letter=The Yeast StrainMashbillsB=60% corn, 35% rye, 5% malted barleyE=75% corn, 20% rye, 5% malted barleyYeast CultureV=Delicate Fruity FlavorK=Slight Spice CharacterO=Robust FruitinessQ=Floral EssenceF=Light Herbal EssenceThe Ten Recipes And Where They Have Been UsedOBSV-Single Barrel & 2008 Mariage & 2010 1B 100th Ann & 2010 SmB LE & 2012 SmB LE**OBSK-Small Batch & 2008 1B LE 120th Ann & 2009 Mariage* & 2010 SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE & 2012 SmB LE & 2013 1B LEOBSO-Small BatchOBSQ-2011 1B LEOBSF-OESV-2011 SmB LEOESK-Small Batch & 2008 Mariage & 2010 SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE & 2012 1B LE & 2012 SmB LEOESO-Small Batch & 2007 1B LE Rutledge 40th Ann & 2009 MariageOESQ-2009 1B LE & 2011 SmB LEOESF-*=19yo and 10yo OBSK was used in the 2009 Mariage, so there was a vatting of 3 bourbons in that bottle.**=17yo and 11yo OBSV was used in the 2012 SmB LE, so there was a vatting of 4 bourbons in that bottle.Four Roses Bourbon or as commonly referred to as "Yellow Label" uses all 10 recipes plus 4 at different ages for a total of 14 bourbons in that bottle. Below is the same info as above but with bottle releases as the header.Single Barrel-OBSV2007 1B LE-OESO2008 1B LE-OBSK2009 1B LE-OESQ2010 1B LE-OBSV2011 1B LE-OBSQ2012 1B LE-OESK2013 1B LE-OBSKSmall Batch-OBSK,OBSO, OESK, OESO2008 Mariage-OBSV, OESK2009 Mariage-OBSK 19yo & 10yo, OESO2010 SmB LE-OBSV, OBSK, OESK2011 SmB LE-OBSK, OESK, OESV, OESQ2012 SmB LE-OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark fleetwood Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Sorry if this has been covered, but 4R first and third letter designations seemed fairly fixed. Have they or are they ever likely to produce anywhere else than Lawrenceburg (O) and anything other than straight whiskey (S)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 One is inclined never to say never. When Kirin purchased Four Roses they took steps to re-establish both the quality of the whisky and the former prominence of the brand, so one is encouraged that emphasis will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalessin Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Unlikely, but I could see them distilling outside Lawrenceburg, or distilling rye whiskey and giving it another letter, or distilling gin and giving it a different letter. The four-letter pattern more likely seems to be becoming part of their "lore", and can and does get used all over their marketing. I'm just happy that they make really great whiskey at prices I can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighInTheMtns Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Aren't the O and the S left over from Seagrams? At the time Seagrams owned FR they were producing various types of whiskey at various distilleries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Aren't the O and the S left over from Seagrams? At the time Seagrams owned FR they were producing various types of whiskey at various distilleries.Yep. That. As I understand it the O was for Old Prentice, one of the names of what's now Four Roses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Just a few tweaks for clarification:Single Barrel-OBSV2007 1B LE (40th Anniversary)-OESO2008 1B LE (120th Anniversary)-OBSK2009 1B LE-OESQ2010 1B LE (100th Anniversary)-OBSV2011 1B LE-OBSQ2012 1B LE-OESK2013 1B LE-OBSKSmall Batch-OBSK,OBSO, OESK, OESO2008 Mariage-OBSV, OESK2009 Mariage-OBSK 19yo & 10yo, OESO2010 SmB LE-OBSV, OBSK, OESK2011 SmB LE-OBSK, OESK, OESV, OESQ2012 SmB LE-OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OscarV Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 Just a few tweaks for clarification:what were the tweaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 what were the tweaks?Adding the anniversary names to the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hectic1 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Just a few tweaks for clarification:Single Barrel-OBSV2007 1B LE (40th Anniversary)-OESO2008 1B LE (120th Anniversary)-OBSK2009 1B LE-OESQ2010 1B LE (100th Anniversary)-OBSV2011 1B LE-OBSQ2012 1B LE-OESK2013 1B LE-OBSKSmall Batch-OBSK,OBSO, OESK, OESO2008 Mariage-OBSV, OESK2009 Mariage-OBSK 19yo & 10yo, OESO2010 SmB LE-OBSV, OBSK, OESK2011 SmB LE-OBSK, OESK, OESV, OESQ2012 SmB LE-OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESKThe 2009 Mariage contained 19yr & 10yr OBSK along with 10yr OESO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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