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Letter Abbreviations

O-.................The 1st letter=Produced at the Four Roses Distillery in Lawrenceburg, KY.

B/E-.............The 2nd letter=The mashbill.

S-.................The 3rd letter=Straight whiskey Distillation

V/K/O/Q/F-..The 4th letter=The yeast strain

Mashbills

B=60% corn, 35% rye, 5% malted barley

E=75% corn, 20% rye, 5% malted barley

Yeast Culture

V=Delicate Fruity Flavor

K=Slight Spice Character

O=Robust Fruitiness

Q=Floral Essence

F=Light Herbal Essence

The Ten Recipes And Where They Have Been Used

OBSV-Single Barrel & 2008 Mariage & 2010 1B 100th Ann & 2010 SmB LE

OBSK-Small Batch & 2008 1B 120th Ann & 2009 Mariage* & 2010 SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE

OBSO-Small Batch

OBSQ-2011 1B LE

OBSF-

OESV-2011 SmB LE

OESK-Small Batch & 2008 Mariage & 2010SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE & 2012 1B LE

OESO-Small Batch & 2007 1B Rutledge 40th Ann & 2009 Mariage

OESQ-2009 1B LE & 2011 SmB LE

OESF-

*=10yo and 19yo OBSK was used in the 2009 Mariage, so there was a vatting of 3 bourbons in that bottle.

Four Roses Bourbon or as commonly referred to as "Yellow Label" uses all 10 recipes plus 4 at different ages for a total of 14 bourbons in that bottle

Your welcome:grin:

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Tucker
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Thanks...and good to see you back.

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shoshani

Mashbills

B=60% corn, 35% rye, 5% malted barley

E=75% corn, 20% rye, 5% malted barley

Interestingly, LDI makes two bourbon mashbills that are nearly identical, except each has only 4% malted barley - the missing percent going to the rye.

I've long been curious just exactly how the ten mashbills and five yeasts got started, and when. I suspect it started with Seagram, who not only were blenders but who distilled from a wide variety of mashbills and yeasts so they could build a palette from which to choose fillings for their blends.

During the Frankfort Distillers days, Four Roses was advertised as a blend of straight whiskeys (as was its sibling Paul Jones), and sold at 90 proof. But during the post-Prohibition and WWII eras, this was not unusual. Many blends of straight whiskeys were sold, undoubtedly because keeping aged whiskey in stock was difficult. But the general trend was to use a small amount of aged whiskey to flavor a larger amount of whiskey that was under two years old; that is a far cry from what Four Roses does today.

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Restaurant man

Jim told me the yeasts came from Seagrams. He had access to all of the segrams yeasts at that time. Apparently there are hundreds of yeasts. Most are mutations all kept alive just in case :hot:

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nocoins
What are everyone's thoughts on the 2012 LE 1B? I find it to be quite sublime... I need more!

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yountvillewjs
I haven't seen this on the shelves anywhere yet -- where has it surfaced so far?

I haven't seen it yet. Will pick one up when I do.

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LikeItWasSodaPop

Someone posted upthread on a Derby Museum SB selection, but that link just don't work for me. Curious about this particular bottling, I searched for info and found this wonderful video, which, though lacking in any information whatsoever (i.e. the recipe they picked, etc.), is still, like, really awesome in a jealousy-inducing way. Who wouldn't want to do a tasting at 4R? And them pours is healthy.

Mostly.

I love the moment at around 1:10 where the 4R dude (looks like Ruteledge?) gets to the end of the supply in his barrel extraction pourer thingy, and the lady in pearls tilts her glass in a way that clearly says, "WTF? WEAK POUR."

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StraightNoChaser
I haven't seen this on the shelves anywhere yet -- where has it surfaced so far?

Glazer's just dumped 5 or 6 cases on DFW. I know where two of them went. Trying to get some more in at my local shop

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OscarV

The 2012 Small Batch Limited Edition has not yet been released but we know thw recipes they contain.

They are, OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK.

Chart updated.

Letter Abbreviations

O-...............The 1st letter=Produced at the Four Roses Distillery in Lawrenceburg, KY.

B/E-.............The 2nd letter=The Mashbill.

S-...............The 3rd letter=Straight Whiskey Distillation

V/K/O/Q/F-...The 4th letter=The Yeast Strain

Mashbills

B=60% corn, 35% rye, 5% malted barley

E=75% corn, 20% rye, 5% malted barley

Yeast Culture

V=Delicate Fruity Flavor

K=Slight Spice Character

O=Robust Fruitiness

Q=Floral Essence

F=Light Herbal Essence

The Ten Recipes And Where They Have Been Used

OBSV-Single Barrel & 2008 Mariage & 2010 1B 100th Ann & 2010 SmB LE & 2012 SmB LE**

OBSK-Small Batch & 2008 1B LE 120th Ann & 2009 Mariage* & 2010 SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE & 2012 SmB LE

OBSO-Small Batch

OBSQ-2011 1B LE

OBSF-

OESV-2011 SmB LE

OESK-Small Batch & 2008 Mariage & 2010 SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE & 2012 1B LE & 2012 SmB LE

OESO-Small Batch & 2007 1B LE Rutledge 40th Ann & 2009 Mariage

OESQ-2009 1B LE & 2011 SmB LE

OESF-

*=19yo and 10yo OBSK was used in the 2009 Mariage, so there was a vatting of 3 bourbons in that bottle.

**=17yo and 11yo OBSV was used in the 2012 SmB LE, so there was a vatting of 4 bourbons in that bottle.

Four Roses Bourbon or as commonly referred to as "Yellow Label" uses all 10 recipes plus 4 at different ages for a total of 14 bourbons in that bottle.

Below is the same info as above but with bottle releases as the header.

Single Barrel-OBSV

2007 1B LE-OESO

2008 1B LE-OBSK

2009 1B LE-OESQ

2010 1B LE-OBSV

2011 1B LE-OBSQ

2012 1B LE-OESK

Small Batch-OBSK,OBSO, OESK, OESO

2008 Mariage-OBSV, OESK

2009 Mariage-OBSK 19yo & 10yo, OESO

2010 SmB LE-OBSV, OBSK, OESK

2011 SmB LE-OBSK, OESK, OESV, OESQ

2012 SmB LE-OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK

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tanstaafl2
Below is the same info as above but with bottle releases as the header.

Single Barrel-OBSV

2007 1B LE-OESO

2008 1B LE-OBSK

2009 1B LE-OESQ

2010 1B LE-OBSV

2011 1B LE-OBSQ

2012 1B LE-OESK

Small Batch-OBSK,OBSO, OESK, OESO

2008 Mariage-OBSV, OESK

2009 Mariage-OBSK 19yo & 10yo, OESO

2010 SmB LE-OBSV, OBSK, OESK

2011 SmB LE-OBSK, OESK, OESV, OESQ

2012 SmB LE-OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK

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OscarV
The Four Roses site doesn't seem to include the OBSK or OESV in the 2011 LE SmB. It shows OBSQ, OESQ and OESK.

Of course it could certainly be wrong! It also doesn't seem to show the 2010 LE SmB at all which on this list is the same recipes used as the 2012 (with different ages of course).

Can anyone clarify?

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squire

I always appreciate first hand impressions Oscar.

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OscarV

As Scott posted here,...

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?18955-Four-Roses-LE-Single-Barrel-2013

The 2013 Four Roses Single Barrel Limited Edition will be the OBSK recipe, the same as 2008.

Chart updated.

Letter Abbreviations

O-...............The 1st letter=Produced at the Four Roses Distillery in Lawrenceburg, KY.

B/E-.............The 2nd letter=The Mashbill.

S-...............The 3rd letter=Straight Whiskey Distillation

V/K/O/Q/F-...The 4th letter=The Yeast Strain

Mashbills

B=60% corn, 35% rye, 5% malted barley

E=75% corn, 20% rye, 5% malted barley

Yeast Culture

V=Delicate Fruity Flavor

K=Slight Spice Character

O=Robust Fruitiness

Q=Floral Essence

F=Light Herbal Essence

The Ten Recipes And Where They Have Been Used

OBSV-Single Barrel & 2008 Mariage & 2010 1B 100th Ann & 2010 SmB LE & 2012 SmB LE**

OBSK-Small Batch & 2008 1B LE 120th Ann & 2009 Mariage* & 2010 SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE & 2012 SmB LE & 2013 1B LE

OBSO-Small Batch

OBSQ-2011 1B LE

OBSF-

OESV-2011 SmB LE

OESK-Small Batch & 2008 Mariage & 2010 SmB LE & 2011 SmB LE & 2012 1B LE & 2012 SmB LE

OESO-Small Batch & 2007 1B LE Rutledge 40th Ann & 2009 Mariage

OESQ-2009 1B LE & 2011 SmB LE

OESF-

*=19yo and 10yo OBSK was used in the 2009 Mariage, so there was a vatting of 3 bourbons in that bottle.

**=17yo and 11yo OBSV was used in the 2012 SmB LE, so there was a vatting of 4 bourbons in that bottle.

Four Roses Bourbon or as commonly referred to as "Yellow Label" uses all 10 recipes plus 4 at different ages for a total of 14 bourbons in that bottle.

Below is the same info as above but with bottle releases as the header.

Single Barrel-OBSV

2007 1B LE-OESO

2008 1B LE-OBSK

2009 1B LE-OESQ

2010 1B LE-OBSV

2011 1B LE-OBSQ

2012 1B LE-OESK

2013 1B LE-OBSK

Small Batch-OBSK,OBSO, OESK, OESO

2008 Mariage-OBSV, OESK

2009 Mariage-OBSK 19yo & 10yo, OESO

2010 SmB LE-OBSV, OBSK, OESK

2011 SmB LE-OBSK, OESK, OESV, OESQ

2012 SmB LE-OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK

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mark fleetwood

Sorry if this has been covered, but 4R first and third letter designations seemed fairly fixed. Have they or are they ever likely to produce anywhere else than Lawrenceburg (O) and anything other than straight whiskey (S)?

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squire

One is inclined never to say never. When Kirin purchased Four Roses they took steps to re-establish both the quality of the whisky and the former prominence of the brand, so one is encouraged that emphasis will continue.

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Kalessin

Unlikely, but I could see them distilling outside Lawrenceburg, or distilling rye whiskey and giving it another letter, or distilling gin and giving it a different letter.

The four-letter pattern more likely seems to be becoming part of their "lore", and can and does get used all over their marketing. I'm just happy that they make really great whiskey at prices I can afford. :D

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HighInTheMtns

Aren't the O and the S left over from Seagrams? At the time Seagrams owned FR they were producing various types of whiskey at various distilleries.

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Josh
Aren't the O and the S left over from Seagrams? At the time Seagrams owned FR they were producing various types of whiskey at various distilleries.

Yep. That. As I understand it the O was for Old Prentice, one of the names of what's now Four Roses.

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Josh

Just a few tweaks for clarification:

Single Barrel-OBSV

2007 1B LE (40th Anniversary)-OESO

2008 1B LE (120th Anniversary)-OBSK

2009 1B LE-OESQ

2010 1B LE (100th Anniversary)-OBSV

2011 1B LE-OBSQ

2012 1B LE-OESK

2013 1B LE-OBSK

Small Batch-OBSK,OBSO, OESK, OESO

2008 Mariage-OBSV, OESK

2009 Mariage-OBSK 19yo & 10yo, OESO

2010 SmB LE-OBSV, OBSK, OESK

2011 SmB LE-OBSK, OESK, OESV, OESQ

2012 SmB LE-OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK

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OscarV
Just a few tweaks for clarification:

what were the tweaks?

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Josh
what were the tweaks?

Adding the anniversary names to the years.

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Just a few tweaks for clarification:

Single Barrel-OBSV

2007 1B LE (40th Anniversary)-OESO

2008 1B LE (120th Anniversary)-OBSK

2009 1B LE-OESQ

2010 1B LE (100th Anniversary)-OBSV

2011 1B LE-OBSQ

2012 1B LE-OESK

2013 1B LE-OBSK

Small Batch-OBSK,OBSO, OESK, OESO

2008 Mariage-OBSV, OESK

2009 Mariage-OBSK 19yo & 10yo, OESO

2010 SmB LE-OBSV, OBSK, OESK

2011 SmB LE-OBSK, OESK, OESV, OESQ

2012 SmB LE-OBSV 17yo & 11yo, OBSK, OESK

The 2009 Mariage contained 19yr & 10yr OBSK along with 10yr OESO...

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