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Does anyone know of a good whiskey tree/chart like the one that OscarV has put together for Four Roses? It would be nice to have the same line-up for other distilleries. Listing mashbills, and what products come from them.

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Does anyone know of a good whiskey tree/chart like the one that OscarV has put together for Four Roses? It would be nice to have the same line-up for other distilleries. Listing mashbills, and what products come from them.

Can you show a link to OscarV's post for reference?

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Josh

Jeff "Mozilla" listed out the BT mashbills a while back, but I'm too lazy to find the post right now. So from memory...

Beam

Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's

Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden

Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt

Brown-Forman

Old Forester- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve

Early Times

Jack Daniels

Rye- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.

Also sells to many NDPs.

Buffalo Trace

#1, high corn- BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg

#2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Hancock, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms, Virginia Gentleman (no longer produced), Bowman Single Barrel

Wheat: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Family Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*

Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye (?)

Diageo

Dickel- George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

Four Roses

See Oscar's thread above. Also sells whiskey to Diageo that presumably goes into Bulleit and maybe I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.). Also produces the overseas version of McKenna.

Heaven Hill

Rye Bourbon - Heaven Hill, JTS Brown, TW Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line.

Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.

Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original

Rye Whiskey- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)

Also sells to many NDPs.

LDI

Precise mashbills unknown, but sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, High West, W.H. Harrison and Cougar (Australia).

Maker's Mark

Maker's Mark

Tom Moore

Barton- Very Old Barton, all proofs +???

1792- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???

??? and ???- Ten High, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Tom Moore

Rye- Fleischman's Rye

Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

Wild Turkey

Bourbon- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon

Rye- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye

Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:

Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye from Bernheim distillery- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye

Stitzel-Weller- Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson's 17

*Brand not owned by the distiller.

I'm sure I forgot something but there ya' go. I need coffee:coffeedrinker:

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Jeff "Mozilla" listed out the BT mashbills a while back, but I'm too lazy to find the post right now. So from memory...

Beam

Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's

Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden

Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt

Brown-Forman

Old Forester- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve

Early Times

Jack Daniels

Rye- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.

Also sells to many NDPs.

Buffalo Trace

#1, high corn- BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg

#2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Hancock, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms, Virginia Gentleman (no longer produced), Bowman Single Barrel

Wheat: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Family Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*

Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye (?)

Diageo

Dickel- George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

Four Roses

See Oscar's thread above. Also sells whiskey to Diageo that presumably goes into Bulleit and maybe I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.). Also produces the overseas version of McKenna.

Heaven Hill

Rye Bourbon - Heaven Hill, JTS Brown, TW Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line.

Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.

Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original

Rye Whiskey- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)

Also sells to many NDPs.

LDI

Precise mashbills unknown, but sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, High West, W.H. Harrison and Cougar (Australia).

Maker's Mark

Maker's Mark

Tom Moore

Barton- Very Old Barton, all proofs +???

1792- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???

??? and ???- Ten High, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Tom Moore

Rye- Fleischman's Rye

Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

Wild Turkey

Bourbon- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon

Rye- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye

Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:

Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye from Bernheim distillery- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye

Stitzel-Weller- Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson's 17

*Brand not owned by the distiller.

I'm sure I forgot something but there ya' go. I need coffee:coffeedrinker:

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Josh
All of this from memory? What are you? Rain Man?:lol:

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p_elliott

The only thing I noticed you left out was JB rye is also the same rye mash bill for Ri (1)

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The only thing I noticed you left out was JB rye is also the same rye mash bill for Ri (1)

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SMOWK
All of this from memory? What are you? Rain Man?:lol:

That IS quite impressive!

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White Dog

Actually, LDI's mashbills are the only one we can truly figure out, besides Four Roses. Just check the LDI website, which is fascinating.

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Actually, LDI's mashbills are the only one we can truly figure out, besides Four Roses. Just check the LDI website, which is fascinating.

Wow, I had completely forgotten about that. Unfortunately it doesn't say what whiskeys use those mashbills, though. Thanks for the tip! I'll update the "tree".

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Whiskey Tree, 1.2

Beam

Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's

Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden

Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt, Ri¹

Brown-Forman

Old Forester- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve

Early Times

Jack Daniels

Rye- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.

Also sells to many NDPs.

Buffalo Trace

#1, high corn- BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg

#2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Hancock, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms, Virginia Gentleman (no longer produced), Bowman Single Barrel

Wheat: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Family Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*

Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye (?)

Diageo

Dickel- George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

Four Roses

See Oscar's chart here. Sells whiskey to Diageo that presumably goes into Bulleit and maybe I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.). Also produces the overseas version of McKenna.

Heaven Hill

Rye Bourbon - Heaven Hill, JTS Brown, TW Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line.

Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.

Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original

Rye Whiskey- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)

Also sells to many NDPs.

LDI

Sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, High West, W.H. Harrison and Cougar (Australia). For a breakdown of the of corn, rye and bourbon whiskey mashbills used, see the LDI website: http://www.lawrenceburgdistillersindiana.com/Custom.aspx

Maker's Mark

Maker's Mark

Tom Moore

Barton- Very Old Barton all proofs +???

1792- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???

??? and ???- Ten High, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Tom Moore

Rye- Fleischman's Rye

Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

Wild Turkey

Bourbon- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon

Rye- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye

Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:

Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye from Bernheim distillery- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye

Stitzel-Weller- Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson's 17

*Brand not owned by the distiller.

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p_elliott

The two whiskey trees should be put together and be made a stickey some place, Moderators? Be even better if we had the mash bills to go with them any one?

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White Dog

Isn't ETL also the Buffalo Trace #2-lower corn?

And not to get too exhaustive, but Hirsch 21, 22, and 25yr Ryes are all old Medley.

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Isn't ETL also the Buffalo Trace #2-lower corn?

And not to get too exhaustive, but Hirsch 21, 22, and 25yr Ryes are all old Medley.

D'oh, completely forgot about the ETL.

Good point about the Hirsch ryes too. Does anyone have a link to that information, just to confirm?

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D'oh, completely forgot about the ETL.

Good point about the Hirsch ryes too. Does anyone have a link to that information, just to confirm?

I don't think we'll ever confirm, Josh, but all the OLD Rye that KBD bottled was Medley. (The young stuff is LDI.) At least, that's the word on the street. So the Red Hook, Black Maple 23, Vintage 21 and 23, Hirsch Ryes... Of course, that's just word of mouth. Maybe a certain someone will now tell me it's none of my damn business. :lol: :lol:

Who knows, maybe they have some old Bernheim, as well.

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Whiskey Tree, 1.3

Note: These tree is only a breakdown of "macro" distillers

Beam

Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's

Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden

Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt, Ri¹

Brown-Forman

Old Forester- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve

Early Times

Jack Daniels

Rye- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.

Also sells to many NDPs.

Buffalo Trace

#1, high corn- BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg

#2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Elmer T. Lee, Hancock, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms, Virginia Gentleman (no longer produced), Bowman Single Barrel

Wheat bourbon: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Special Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*

Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye (?)

Diageo

Dickel- George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

Four Roses

See Oscar's chart here. Sells whiskey to Diageo that presumably goes into Bulleit and maybe I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.). Also produces the overseas version of McKenna.

Heaven Hill

Rye Bourbon - Heaven Hill, JTS Brown, TW Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line.

Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.

Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original

Rye Whiskey- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)

Corn Whiskey: Mellow Corn, JW Corn, Georgia Moon, Platte Valley*

Also sells to many NDPs.

LDI

Sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, High West, W.H. Harrison, Cougar (Australia) and KBD (?). For a breakdown of the of corn, rye and bourbon whiskey mashbills used, see the LDI website: http://www.lawrenceburgdistillersind...om/Custom.aspx

Maker's Mark

Maker's Mark

Tom Moore

Barton- Very Old Barton all proofs +???

1792- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???

??? and ???- Ten High, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Tom Moore

Rye- Fleischman's Rye

Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

Wild Turkey

Bourbon- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon

Rye- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye

Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:

Medley Rye- Older bottlings of Hirsch, (post-Penn) Michter's (?), Black Maple Hill rye, others (?)

Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye (Bernheim distillery)- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye

Stitzel-Weller bourbon- Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson's Reserve 17, 18 et al

*Brand not owned by the distiller.

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Updated to reflect Paul's suggestion and stuff I left out

Whiskey Tree, 2.0

Note: These tree is only a breakdown of "macro" distillers

Beam

Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's

Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden

Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt, Ri¹

Brown-Forman

Old Forester- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve

Early Times

Jack Daniels

Rye- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.

Also sells to many NDPs.

Buffalo Trace

#1, high corn- BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg

#2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Elmer T. Lee, Hancock, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms, Virginia Gentleman (no longer produced), Bowman Single Barrel

Wheat bourbon: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Special Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*

Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye (?)

Diageo

Dickel- George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

Four Roses

Has 2 mashbills and 5 yeasts.

All Ten Combinations- Four Roses (yellow label)

OBSK, OBSO, OESK, OESO- Four Roses Small Batch

OBSV- Four Roses Single Barrel

All the combinations are also available as Single Barrel, Barrel Strength retailer bottlings.

Also sells whiskey to Diageo that goes into Bulleit (from the high rye OBS recipes) and I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.). Also produces the overseas version of McKenna. For more information, see Oscar's chart here.

Heaven Hill

Rye Bourbon - Heaven Hill, J.T.S. Brown, T.W. Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line and the current Yellowstone.

Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.

Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original

Rye Whiskey- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)

Corn Whiskey: Mellow Corn, JW Corn, Georgia Moon, Platte Valley*

Also sells to many NDPs.

LDI

Sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, High West, W.H. Harrison, Cougar (Australia) and KBD. For a breakdown of the of corn, rye and bourbon whiskey mashbills used, see the LDI website: http://www.lawrenceburgdistillersind...om/Custom.aspx

Maker's Mark

Maker's Mark

Tom Moore

Barton- Very Old Barton all proofs +???

1792- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???

??? and ???- Ten High, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Tom Moore

Rye- Fleischman's Rye

Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

Wild Turkey

Bourbon- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon

Rye- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye

Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:

Medley Rye- Older bottlings of Hirsch, post-PA Michter's, Black Maple Hill rye, others?

Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye (Bernheim distillery)- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye

Stitzel-Weller bourbon- Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson's Reserve 17, 18 et al

*Brand not owned by the distiller.

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Now including mashbills! Source: Regan & Regan, The Book of Bourbon and Other Fine American Whiskeys (London: Mixellany) 2009. Barton, WT, and Dickel are noted as approximate.

Brand Name (%corn/%rye or wheat/%malted barley)

Whiskey Tree, 3.0

Note: These tree is only a breakdown of "macro" distillers

Beam

Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's

Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden

Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt, Ri¹

Brown-Forman

Old Forester (72/18/10)- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve

Early Times (79/11/10)

Jack Daniels (80/8/12)

Rye (see Heaven Hill below)- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.

Also sells to many NDPs.

Buffalo Trace

#1, high corn BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg

#2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Elmer T. Lee, Hancock, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms, Virginia Gentleman (no longer produced), Bowman Single Barrel

Wheat bourbon: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Special Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*

Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye (?)

Diageo

Dickel (80/12/8) George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

Four Roses

Has 2 mashbills and 5 yeasts.

All Ten Combinations- Four Roses (yellow label)

OBSK, OBSO, OESK, OESO- Four Roses Small Batch

OBSV- Four Roses Single Barrel

All the combinations are also available as Single Barrel, Barrel Strength retailer bottlings.

Also sells whiskey to Diageo that goes into Bulleit (from the high rye OBS recipes) and I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.). Also produces the overseas version of McKenna. For more information, including mashbills, see Oscar's chart here.

Heaven Hill

Rye Bourbon (75/13/12)- Heaven Hill, J.T.S. Brown, T.W. Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line and the current Yellowstone.

Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.

Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original

Rye Whiskey (23/65/12)- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)

Corn Whiskey: Mellow Corn, JW Corn, Georgia Moon, Platte Valley*

Also sells to many NDPs.

LDI

Sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, High West, W.H. Harrison, Cougar (Australia), Bulleit Rye and KBD. For a breakdown of the of corn, rye and bourbon whiskey mashbills used, see the LDI website: http://www.lawrenceburgdistillersind...om/Custom.aspx

Maker's Mark

Maker's Mark (70/16/14)

Tom Moore

Barton (75/15/10)- Very Old Barton all proofs +???

1792 (high barley?)- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???

??? and ???- Ten High, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Tom Moore

Rye- Fleischman's Rye

Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

Wild Turkey

Bourbon (75/13/12)- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon

Rye (23/65/12)- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye

Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:

Medley Rye- Older bottlings of Hirsch, post-PA Michter's, Black Maple Hill rye, others?

Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye (Bernheim distillery)- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye

Stitzel-Weller bourbon- Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson's Reserve 17, 18 et al

*Brand not owned by the distiller.

PROBLEMS/QUESTIONS: Regan & Regan list an approximate mashbill for all the bourbons made at "Ancient Age Distillery" as 80/10/10. We know that this cannot have been correct, even at the time of the first publishing (1995). But which mashbill does that represent? Both are high in corn. Under Bernheim, a mashbill of 86/6/8 is listed for Old Charter, Harper and Pepper. Did BT use this mashbill when it acquired Old Charter? Or (more likely imo) did it use one it was already using for Eagle Rare and Benchmark and would later use for BT?

Also, a mashbill of 75/20/5 is listed for Old Fitz, Weller and Rebel Yell while at Bernheim. Did HH and BT continue using that mashbill when they acquired their wheat bourbon brands or did they use a different one? The former seems most likely to me. Did they acquire S-W yeast as well?

Anyway, I'm sure the answer to some of these questions are in Bourbon, Straight but it is in a box in the garage presently.:hot:

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White Dog

This is awesome, Josh.

So HH and WT have the same mashbill for both Bourbon and Rye? Weird.

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SMOWK

Alright Josh! Yet another interesting chart that comes out of SB.com. This one serves as somewhat of a guide to what kind of mashbill you prefer. Now if I could only figure out what day of the month I prefer that mashbill, I would be that much closer to knowing what to pour, and when to pour it.

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Parkersback

Does Dant belong in Heaven Hill, Rye Bourbon category?

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nblair

Amazing job, Josh. That has to be the most extensive list of bourbon info I've ever seen. I'm pretty sure you could ask someone to delete your posts and charge people for a spreadsheet of it...

Did you not include the Four Roses percentages because they were already included in Oscar's Four Roses post? Or are you waiting to include them in Whiskey Tree 4.0 - Bigger, Faster, Stronger?

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Thanks for the kind words everybody!

This is awesome, Josh.

So HH and WT have the same mashbill for both Bourbon and Rye? Weird.

Yeah it is odd, but that's what the book says. It's worth noting that the WT Rye mashbill is listed as approximate, though.

Does Dant belong in Heaven Hill, Rye Bourbon category?

Yes, I included that among the "et al" but now that you mention it, it would be helpful to put Dant in there since it's still a widely distributed line. It will be in the next revision.

Amazing job, Josh. That has to be the most extensive list of bourbon info I've ever seen. I'm pretty sure you could ask someone to delete your posts and charge people for a spreadsheet of it...

Did you not include the Four Roses percentages because they were already included in Oscar's Four Roses post? Or are you waiting to include them in Whiskey Tree 4.0 - Bigger, Faster, Stronger?

I didn't include them for two reasons:

1) Out of deference for Oscar and all his hard work in that thread. The man brings me BBQ, I have to give him props.

2) Sheer laziness, the same reason I didn't list out the LDI mashbills.:grin:

I'm glad everybody's enjoying this project! It's nice to put my brain to use doing something other than sorting diapers.

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Parkersback

Hey, Josh, it dawns on me that the first thing I said about this was trying to correct something. But my main thoughts about it is how great it is, and thanks for your work. It's super informative, and fun to look at, to boot.

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