Old Grand Dad rumor

[Flyfish]

On 9/21/2016 at 11:51 PM, flahute said:

They are sourcing from many including Beam and mingling to try to maintain the profile as best as possible. This will be hard to do since original Bulleit was 90 proof 4RYL. Expect a slow progression of profile shift. 

I should think so. There is more than a high rye mashbill involved in creating a bourbon profile.

[kwshannon]

There were at least 6 bottles on the shelf tonight. No shortage yet in central Iowa.

[Louisiana]

I know a store that got several cases a week ago and they have never carried OGD114. This is odd to me if Beam is doing away with OGD114, but anything can happen nowadays. I'm just saying what I see. Which could mean nothing!

[ethangsmith]

The 114 dropped off the SLO list in PA in the last week. I too have heard 114 is done. At least I still have 4 or 5 bottles in the cabinet. I'd be furious if the BIB went away- That's my favorite.

[Sluffo]

Still plenty around here, but it's $29.

[Tanger11]

On 10/7/2016 at 11:24 AM, ethangsmith said:

The 114 dropped off the SLO list in PA in the last week. I too have heard 114 is done. At least I still have 4 or 5 bottles in the cabinet. I'd be furious if the BIB went away- That's my favorite.

The website still shows OGD 114 as an SLO. Minimum purchase is a case of 12 @ $25.29/bottle. 

[ethangsmith]

Yea. It left the list for about a week and then reappeared. Must've found more stock in the warehouse or something. Sucks that you have to buy a case. I'd do it, but I'm somewhat poor.

[ethangsmith]

Great news! I asked some questions of my Beam contact and they answered all my questions.

 

1. 114 is NOT discontinued.
2. OGD is NOT going away.

3. Beam is NOT selling their whiskey to Bulleit.

 

Hope this makes you guys and gals as happy as it did me!

[tanstaafl2]

25 minutes ago, ethangsmith said:

Great news! I asked some questions of my Beam contact and they answered all my questions.

 

1. 114 is NOT discontinued.
2. OGD is NOT going away.

3. Beam is NOT selling their whiskey to Bulleit.

 

Hope this makes you guys and gals as happy as it did me!

 

And in other news:

Maker's Mark is NOT lowering their proof (and then raising it back up again!).

Ancient Ancient Age 10yo is NOT going away.

Elijah Craig 12yo is NOT losing its age statement.

 

I hope your Beam contact is right but at this point nothing seems to be off the table!

[ethangsmith]

True. But, while I can't say any names, my source is good. And, of course, anything can change at any time in this type of hot market. But rest assured that our OGD is safe for now.

[flahute]

9 hours ago, ethangsmith said:

Great news! I asked some questions of my Beam contact and they answered all my questions.

 

1. 114 is NOT discontinued.
2. OGD is NOT going away.

3. Beam is NOT selling their whiskey to Bulleit.

 

Hope this makes you guys and gals as happy as it did me!

1. Hope you are right on 114. My contact (who is also good) only said that one of the skus was in discussion for being discontinued but that nothing had been decided.

2. We knew this already. It was only one of the labels that might go away. Nonetheless, it's good to hear it again.

3. They may not be now (my contact also said Beam was no longer selling to anyone), but they were recently. I have photos of Beam barrels in the Bulleit rickhouses to prove it.

[BDanner]

10 hours ago, flahute said:

1. Hope you are right on 114. My contact (who is also good) only said that one of the skus was in discussion for being discontinued but that nothing had been decided.

2. We knew this already. It was only one of the labels that might go away. Nonetheless, it's good to hear it again.

3. They may not be now (my contact also said Beam was no longer selling to anyone), but they were recently. I have photos of Beam barrels in the Bulleit rickhouses to prove it.

Agreed...It was reported by many reputable, trusted sources that Bulleit was sourcing from Beam once their contract with 4R was not renewed. Some reported that Bulleit was receiving juice from Beam while their agreement with 4R was still in place which is one reason that the 4R contract was not renewed.

[flahute]

6 hours ago, BDanner said:

Some reported that Bulleit was receiving juice from Beam while their agreement with 4R was still in place which is one reason that the 4R contract was not renewed.

4R cut them off. 4R needed their warehouse space and distilling capacity back due to increased demand for their products.

[ethangsmith]

So then the burning question is where is Bulleit getting their bourbon now?

[tanstaafl2]

54 minutes ago, ethangsmith said:

So then the burning question is where is Bulleit getting their bourbon now?

 

Presumably they had to see the writing on the wall with Four Roses. Maybe they had entered into contracts for younger whiskey from MGP that is starting to get old enough to blend in with the remaining Four Roses whiskey they pulled out of Lawrenceburg and took to Louisville a few years ago. By all reports they took quite a bit! And then bought what they could from the other big boys as the opportunity arose.

 

Tullahoma, perhaps? Blend it enough and maybe the vitamins get thinned out enough to be unnoticeable! Supposedly they have been storing whiskey from Tennessee in their Louisville rickhouses anyway. Easy enough to use some to round out a batch...

 

Could be that Bulleit is the ultimate Frankenstein of whiskey!

[flahute]

2 hours ago, tanstaafl2 said:

 

Presumably they had to see the writing on the wall with Four Roses. Maybe they had entered into contracts for younger whiskey from MGP that is starting to get old enough to blend in with the remaining Four Roses whiskey they pulled out of Lawrenceburg and took to Louisville a few years ago. By all reports they took quite a bit! And then bought what they could from the other big boys as the opportunity arose.

 

Tullahoma, perhaps? Blend it enough and maybe the vitamins get thinned out enough to be unnoticeable! Supposedly they have been storing whiskey from Tennessee in their Louisville rickhouses anyway. Easy enough to use some to round out a batch...

 

Could be that Bulleit is the ultimate Frankenstein of whiskey!

Yes, almost half of the 4R warehouse capacity was full of barrels going to Bulleit. 

In addition to the Beam barrels there are also Brown Forman barrels that I saw. 

I've also heard from a good source that they are getting whiskey from Barton now. 

My guess is they are trying hard to keep the words "Kentucky Straight" on the label. Haven't looked at a recent bottle to see if they still are. 

[ethangsmith]

Dang, so there's no easy answer here. So technically, at some point, OGD could have been or still is a component of Bulleit Bourbon through a barrel buy?

[smokinjoe]

36 minutes ago, ethangsmith said:

Dang, so there's no easy answer here. So technically, at some point, OGD could have been or still is a component of Bulleit Bourbon through a barrel buy?

"Could" have been, but my guess would be that any Beam "bulk sale" would be from their standard Beam mashbill.  

[ethangsmith]

Is OGD really being drank up in such large quantities that there's a crunch on supply? Is it Basil Hayden's that getting all the attention or is the OGD lineup getting popular as well?

[smokinjoe]

4 minutes ago, ethangsmith said:

Is OGD really being drank up in such large quantities that there's a crunch on supply? Is it Basil Hayden's that getting all the attention or is the OGD lineup getting popular as well?

You've got the good Beam source that offered such detailed info above...maybe, ask him/her?

[flahute]

4 hours ago, smokinjoe said:

"Could" have been, but my guess would be that any Beam "bulk sale" would be from their standard Beam mashbill.  

I'm going to go with what Joe said. Given that the OGD mashbill is unique and is likely only distilled on a limited number of days whereas the standard mashbill is distilled all the rest of the time......it makes sense that the standard mashbill is in large quantities of supply and is what got sold.

[dcbt]

But Bulleit uses a higher rye mash, so if they are using the standard Beam mash then they've got to be supplementing it with quite a bit of something much higher in rye, in theory at least to try and match the existing profile.  Maybe MGP as someone mentioned above.

[amg]

4 hours ago, dcbt said:

But Bulleit uses a higher rye mash, so if they are using the standard Beam mash then they've got to be supplementing it with quite a bit of something much higher in rye, in theory at least to try and match the existing profile.  Maybe MGP as someone mentioned above.

 

Bulleit is such a big brand that whoever is supplying it is most likely doing so on contract to specification. If Medley and Michter's can do it, Diageo surely can.

[Swoboda]

It all sounds vaguely like 'homogenization' . . . or a "conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!"

[amg]

2 hours ago, Swoboda said:

It all sounds vaguely like 'homogenization' . . . or a "conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!"

That's why I only drink distilled water, or rain water, and pure grain alcohol, Mandrake.