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TheNovaMan
2 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

A new label for WT 101 that does away with the general statement of age, WT101 must be the most frequently refreshed packaging in all of bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20006001000186

Wow, that's quite a change! ūüėĶ FIVE separate labels, plus a fake tax strip.

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fosmith
5 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

A new label for WT 101 that does away with the general statement of age, WT101 must be the most frequently refreshed packaging in all of bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20006001000186

The back label still has the misleading statement "aged for UP TO six to eight years".  

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kevinbrink
3 hours ago, fosmith said:

The back label still has the misleading statement "aged for UP TO six to eight years".  

Good catch sir, missed that, guess I read too fast!

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PaulO
On 1/17/2020 at 8:17 PM, Vosgar said:

I love how the new Waterfill and Frazier label really draws on the brands history. The picture below is from an old miniature I have. If this new bottle actually get released, I may have to buy one just because of the label

 

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I was thinking the same thing.

I wonder who will be the source for the new stuff?

Regardless, 5 years old and 100 proof from any of KY's legacy distillers is interesting to me.

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kevinbrink

Corn Trooper Union Straight Bourbon bottled by Whistlepig with label issues that clearly show that origin, and don't clearly show the whiskey's origin, somehow labeled distilled in Indiana.....

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19353001000232

 

Old Charter Chinkapin Oak

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20006001000598

 

Nelson's Green Briar TN Sourmash

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20016001000436

 

Chattanooga Single Barrel

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19346001000743

 

This one feels like it is being submitted in the wrong decade, looks like some dusty mystery juice from the 60s or 70s

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20003001000180

And another from the same "producer" with a more recent looking design

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20007001000548

 

 

 

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kevinbrink

The slippery slope of barrel finishes is that eventually they get approved when labeled as straight

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20003001000042

 

Rabbit Hole Cavehill Cask Strength KSBW

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19352001000023

 

Pure Antique 10 yo KSBW

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20007001001022

 

Salt Springs Spirits 10 Year KSBW

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20014001000376

 

Boone County 15 Year old Single Barrel Cask Strength

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20010001000037

 

Heaven's Gate Highway 61 Blend of Straight Bourbon/Rye

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20007001000790

 

Four Gate 7 year old MGP Rye

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20008001000355

 

A CA SBW "Bourbon's Little Sister

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20006001000996

 

Thomas Moore Port Finish from Barton

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19350001000565

And Chardonnay

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19350001000562 

And Cabernet Sauvignon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19350001000499

 

And a formerly Straight Indiana Bourbon finished in Tequila Barrels with a disco ball headed mariachi or something on the label... 

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20002001000204

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flahute
5 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

This one is interesting as it says "distilled and bottled by Pure Antique Distillery" which is really Preservation Distillery. I don't know much about those guys and am surprised they have 10yr old self distilled bourbon.

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kevinbrink
3 hours ago, flahute said:

This one is interesting as it says "distilled and bottled by Pure Antique Distillery" which is really Preservation Distillery. I don't know much about those guys and am surprised they have 10yr old self distilled bourbon.

Didn't notice that myself good observation

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Jazz June
On 1/31/2020 at 3:17 PM, flahute said:

This one is interesting as it says "distilled and bottled by Pure Antique Distillery" which is really Preservation Distillery. I don't know much about those guys and am surprised they have 10yr old self distilled bourbon.

From online reading (and as you probably know yourself, likely better than me), I am not impressed with their integrity/honesty, so...

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Jazz June
2 hours ago, Jazz June said:

From online reading (and as you probably know yourself, likely better than me), I am not impressed with their integrity/honesty, so...

Also, while Sazerac doesn't necessarily have proprietary rights in the word ANTIQUE by itself, some might view "Pure Antique" bourbon bottled at 107 proof as loosely associating yourself with someone else's brand. If this product gets further than a TTB filing, we may see if Sazerac leadership/Sazerac's IP attorneys take this view.

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Kentucky Owl Rye "The Last Batch" 10 Year Old

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20014001000691

 

Western Reserve 6 Year Straight Rye (MGP)

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20015001000232

 

Bluegrass Distillers High Rye BIB Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20028001000912

 

KBD Bringing back the Vintage label for a 16 year old SiB Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20014001000529

 

Sonoma Brothers Straight Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20020001000325

And Rye

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20020001000386

 

Seafog Straight Rye from Newport, RI, interested in this one, love their Peated Malt

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20013001000325

 

New year so a new label for EW BIB

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20014001000088

 

Basil Hayden 10 Year Straight Rye

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20016001000707

 

Old Elk Blended Straight Bourbon back label states they use 4X the malt of typical bourbon for this

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20016001000891

 

Tom's Town Truman Special Reserve KSBW

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20003001000536

 

Stranahan's Mountain Angel 10 Year old Single malt

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20021001000057

 

Wyoming Whiskey National Parks 5 Year Old Straight Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20015001000678

 

Knob Creek labels just show up all the time now, here's two bottled for Stranger & Stranger

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20009001000749

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20009001000769

 

Trailhead SBW bottled in RI no sign of a state of distillation

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20013001000724

 

Not sure how this differs from the old label for Redemption Weated

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20017001000943

 

Grand Traverse Straight Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19360001000175

 

Another Label from Preservation Old Man Winter 12 Year old

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20013001001018

 

Taster's Club Reserve 5 Year SBW from MN

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20023001000089

 

Old Carter Barrel Strength MGP Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20024001000429

 

NULU Single Barrel Barrel Proof MGP

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20021001000004

 

Four Gate Split Stave Straight Rye, that isn't straight at all

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20029001000084

And Bluegrass Trilogy Rum Finished Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20029001000082

 

Calumet Farms 8 Yr 

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20014001001071

 

Firefly Blend of Straight Bourbons

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20020001000536

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Supercharger
On 2/2/2020 at 2:24 PM, Jazz June said:

From online reading (and as you probably know yourself, likely better than me), I am not impressed with their integrity/honesty, so...


What’s the story here?

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flahute
1 hour ago, kevinbrink said:

 

KBD Bringing back the Vintage label for a 16 year old SiB Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20014001000529

 

This is one of barrels sold at our charity event with Willett and is a one off. Each group that bought a barrel was able to create a custom label. 

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Jazz June
37 minutes ago, Supercharger said:


What’s the story here?

Their owner: https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2019/03/13/kentucky-bourbon-preservation-distillery-owner-charged-college-admission-scam/3148799002/

 

And the whisper campaign they are conducting that one of their bottlings is Stitzel-Weller, when it just doesn't add up.

 

Their stuff might be good (in fact I'm hoping to soon find out myself), but much of their marketing strikes me as misleading to outright untrue.

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Kepler
2 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

KBD Bringing back the Vintage label for a 16 year old SiB Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20014001000529

 

 

41 minutes ago, flahute said:

This is one of barrels sold at our charity event with Willett and is a one off. Each group that bought a barrel was able to create a custom label. 

 

Any info about the liquid in this Steve?  The old Vintage Bourbon 17 Yr was good and I regret not stocking up on that back in the day when I had a chance.

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flahute
7 minutes ago, Kepler said:

 

 

Any info about the liquid in this Steve?  The old Vintage Bourbon 17 Yr was good and I regret not stocking up on that back in the day when I had a chance.

I don't know much about this particular barrel other than that it came from a mostly similar lot of barrels that all the groups picked from including ours.

The initial deal was that we all got to pick a 15yr old barrel. All groups had 8 samples to choose from (we picked at Willett in January so it was too cold to be in the rickhouses so we picked from large sample bottles in their new bar) and all groups got virgin samples. From seeing photos of sample bottles from the other groups we were able to see the barrel codes so we know that most of us were choosing barrels that came from the same original source. We don't know that source. Drew never tells!

 

Due to the custom labels and the need for TTB approval, everything took longer than normal so by the time the barrels got dumped they had turned 16. I can tell you that our barrel is amazing. The one we chose was my first choice so I'm happy about that. It narrowly beat the #2 choice in the vote from our tasting panel. I know the guy who runs Blackout and he has a great palate so I have every reason to believe that their barrel is also great. 

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Kepler
6 minutes ago, flahute said:

I don't know much about this particular barrel other than that it came from a mostly similar lot of barrels that all the groups picked from including ours.

The initial deal was that we all got to pick a 15yr old barrel. All groups had 8 samples to choose from (we picked at Willett in January so it was too cold to be in the rickhouses so we picked from large sample bottles in their new bar) and all groups got virgin samples. From seeing photos of sample bottles from the other groups we were able to see the barrel codes so we know that most of us were choosing barrels that came from the same original source. We don't know that source. Drew never tells!

 

Due to the custom labels and the need for TTB approval, everything took longer than normal so by the time the barrels got dumped they had turned 16. I can tell you that our barrel is amazing. The one we chose was my first choice so I'm happy about that. It narrowly beat the #2 choice in the vote from our tasting panel. I know the guy who runs Blackout and he has a great palate so I have every reason to believe that their barrel is also great. 

Thanks for the detailed reply Steve. Sounds like a really cool experience. I got to meet Drew years ago at local tasting they put on at one of my local stores. Seemed like a cool guy.

 

Great choice on the label!! 

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flahute
2 hours ago, Kepler said:

Thanks for the detailed reply Steve. Sounds like a really cool experience. I got to meet Drew years ago at local tasting they put on at one of my local stores. Seemed like a cool guy.

 

Great choice on the label!! 

Drew is great and is super generous.

 

Yeah - that Vintage label is great. Our group was actually considering using that. While we were trying to figure it out one of our guys was in Osaka at one of those bars with a ridiculous collection of dusties and he sent us a photo of a super old Willett squat bottle that became the basis for our label. We ended up combining that with the Johnny Drum age statement neck sticker for our bottle along with the wax dip. 

 

 

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Kepler
5 hours ago, flahute said:

Drew is great and is super generous.

 

Yeah - that Vintage label is great. Our group was actually considering using that. While we were trying to figure it out one of our guys was in Osaka at one of those bars with a ridiculous collection of dusties and he sent us a photo of a super old Willett squat bottle that became the basis for our label. We ended up combining that with the Johnny Drum age statement neck sticker for our bottle along with the wax dip. 

 

 

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Oops I thought the Vintage was your group's label. But I like yours all the same and I really like the tie-in to the old bottling. Well done as well.

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kevinbrink
8 hours ago, CUfan99 said:

Why not?

It's actually labeled correctly I guess, it shows as Straight Rye whiskey finished in...... which is how it should appear, I looked  at it quickly as I was churning through these this morning and missed that because of the way they spaced it.  That being said it isn't a straight whiskey since it is finished in another barrel.

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CUfan99
6 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

It's actually labeled correctly I guess, it shows as Straight Rye whiskey finished in...... which is how it should appear, I looked  at it quickly as I was churning through these this morning and missed that because of the way they spaced it.  That being said it isn't a straight whiskey since it is finished in another barrel.

They use the word Finished but it’s really just a double barrel product. The second barrel is new oak. 

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JCwhammie
20 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

This can only mean they lost their rye source, right? I've never bought any of their stuff, as they're much more expensive than I feel like paying. But they seem to move off the shelves pretty well. Am I correct that these are presumably Barton? Would this be a casualty of the rickhouse collapse? Are they going to start bottling their own product (I admittedly dont even know if they distil), or is this like one of the many rock bands that says their doing a final tour then mysteriously 5 years down the road they do a reunion tour? 

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CUfan99
13 minutes ago, JCwhammie said:

This can only mean they lost their rye source, right? I've never bought any of their stuff, as they're much more expensive than I feel like paying. But they seem to move off the shelves pretty well. Am I correct that these are presumably Barton? Would this be a casualty of the rickhouse collapse? Are they going to start bottling their own product (I admittedly dont even know if they distil), or is this like one of the many rock bands that says their doing a final tour then mysteriously 5 years down the road they do a reunion tour? 

Barton rye is the rumored source? I haven’t heard that. What rye brands does Barton have? I’m having a CRS attack at the moment. 
 

The last batch does seem dramatic and very tater-baitish. 

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