Fun with TTB COLA's Online

[kevinbrink]

40 minutes ago, CUfan99 said:

They use the word Finished but it’s really just a double barrel product. The second barrel is new oak. 

The type of barrel does not matter if it hits a second barrel of is not by defInition Straight Bourbon.

[JCwhammie]

51 minutes ago, CUfan99 said:

Barton rye is the rumored source? I haven’t heard that. What rye brands does Barton have? I’m having a CRS attack at the moment. 
 

The last batch does seem dramatic and very tater-baitish. 

Barton doesnt doesnt have a house rye brand. They source all of it. They used to send a lot of stuff to High West (maybe they still do?). The HW Rendezvous Rye and MWND from 5+ years ago are held in much high esteem than the stuff since then. That's due to them including older Barton rye. I don't know of all the other places that source rye from Barton. There are much more knowledgable folks on here that may chime in on that. 

[kevinbrink]

31 minutes ago, JCwhammie said:

Barton doesnt doesnt have a house rye brand. They source all of it. They used to send a lot of stuff to High West (maybe they still do?). The HW Rendezvous Rye and MWND from 5+ years ago are held in much high esteem than the stuff since then. That's due to them including older Barton rye. I don't know of all the other places that source rye from Barton. There are much more knowledgable folks on here that may chime in on that. 

Fairly certain EH Taylor Rye is the Barton House Rye Brand DSP-KY-12 is listed on the label and I'm guessing DSP-KY-113 is on the label as that is where it is bottled as the bottling line would be the same as the other Taylor products, Barton/1792 bottles are both really different.

[kevinbrink]

Boulder Spirits BIB Single Malt

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20024001000722

 

Long Road MI BIB Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20020001000196

 

Old Elk 100 Proof MGP Rye

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20022001000804

 

Some new Products and label styles from Hudson, first Do the Rye Thing Straight Rye

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20015001000785

Bright Lights Big Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20015001000795

This is Your Favorite Whiskey Straight Bourbon (pretty sure it won't be)

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20015001000803

 

Here is an odd one, generally speaking you see big numbers on bottles and they would mislead you to think product is older, but this one Beat 3 is actually 4 years old...

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20024001000682

[JCwhammie]

17 minutes ago, kevinbrink said:

Fairly certain EH Taylor Rye is the Barton House Rye Brand DSP-KY-12 is listed on the label and I'm guessing DSP-KY-113 is on the label as that is where it is bottled as the bottling line would be the same as the other Taylor products, Barton/1792 bottles are both really different.

I thought EHT rye was, but I wasnt sure. I definitely could've looked up the label then looked up the DSPs. Oh well. 

You do great work at keeping this TTB thread up to date, Kevin. Thanks for that. 

[kevinbrink]

Thanks, I used to enjoy @sku's weekly blog posts so when he stopped I started looking myself, figured I might as well share what I found interesting(?). Also should not that SKU still posts some filings on twitter and I pretty much only see the other categories (Rum/Brandy/etc.) when he posts them. I've evolved this to have some "rules" I typically only post American (occasionally Canadian sourced) whiskey though admittedly I tend to browse some of the other world whiskey filings as well and generally speaking if it isn't 4 years old I don't post unless their is some "issue" with the label or it's something that seems truly unique. It usually takes between 5-15 minutes to throw this together so it's no huge undertaking though this weekends was kind of lengthy since I had taken a longer "break" between posts so it actually probably took me a whopping 20 minutes. 

[TheNovaMan]

5 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

Long Road MI BIB Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20020001000196

Shouldn't that have a DSP number somewhere on the label?  I didn't see one.

[kevinbrink]

2 hours ago, TheNovaMan said:

Shouldn't that have a DSP number somewhere on the label?  I didn't see one.

I believe that as long as the facility that distilled and bottled are clearly stated it meets the requirement at this point but others have far more expertise when it comes labeling specifics.

[Kepler]

8 hours ago, JCwhammie said:

You do great work at keeping this TTB thread up to date, Kevin. Thanks for that. 

 

8 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

Thanks, I used to enjoy @sku's weekly blog posts so when he stopped I started looking myself, figured I might as well share what I found interesting(?). Also should not that SKU still posts some filings on twitter and I pretty much only see the other categories (Rum/Brandy/etc.) when he posts them. I've evolved this to have some "rules" I typically only post American (occasionally Canadian sourced) whiskey though admittedly I tend to browse some of the other world whiskey filings as well and generally speaking if it isn't 4 years old I don't post unless their is some "issue" with the label or it's something that seems truly unique. It usually takes between 5-15 minutes to throw this together so it's no huge undertaking though this weekends was kind of lengthy since I had taken a longer "break" between posts so it actually probably took me a whopping 20 minutes. 

 

I echo JC's sentiment. Thanks Kevinbrink for taking the time to do this. We appreciate it. 

[Jazz June]

3 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

I believe that as long as the facility that distilled and bottled are clearly stated it meets the requirement at this point but others have far more expertise when it comes labeling specifics.

27 CFR 5.42(b)(3):

 

(3) The words “bond”, “bonded”, “bottled in bond”, “aged in bond”, or phrases containing these or synonymous terms, shall not be used on any label or as part of the brand name of domestic distilled spirits unless the distilled spirits are:

(i) Composed of the same kind of spirits produced from the same class of materials;

(ii) Produced in the same distilling season by the same distiller at the same distillery;

(iii) Stored for at least four years in wooden containers wherein the spirits have been in contact with the wood surface except for gin and vodka which must be stored for at least four years in wooden containers coated or lined with paraffin or other substance which will preclude contact of the spirits with the wood surface;

(iv) Unaltered from their original condition or character by the addition or subtraction of any substance other than by filtration, chill proofing, or other physical treatments (which do not involve the addition of any substance which will remain incorporated in the finished product or result in a change in class or type);

(v) Reduced in proof by the addition of pure water only to 100 degrees of proof; and

(vi) Bottles at 100 degrees of proof.

In addition to the requirements of §5.36(a) (1) or (2), the label shall bear the real name of the distillery or the trade name under which the distillery produced and warehoused the spirits, and the plant (or registered distillery) number in which produced; and the plant number in which bottled. The label may also bear the name or trade name of the bottler.

 

[Jazz June]

Also, if I have not said it before, thank you to Kevin for his excellent work in this thread. A good balance of information and snark!

[smokinjoe]

As the guys said above, thank you Kevin for doing this.  It’s a great service to our community!

[kevinbrink]

Old Forester Single Barrel Barrel Strength 

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20023001000079

 

Remus Repeal Reserve 2020 a blend of two bourbons distilled in 2008

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20023001000276

 

George Dickel 11 Year BIB distilled Fall 2008

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20021001000062

 

From the fine folks at Whiskybase Archives 10 Year old Heaven Hill

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20017001000239

 

Chestnut Farms BIB from Barton, at least here this is a TW Spirits Direct Brand

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20030001000639

 

Widow Jane Lucky 13 (MGP)

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20021001000540

And Maple Syrup Barrel Finished (Flavored!) KY/TN Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20024001000196

 

FL Watson Jr. Barrel Proof Straight TN Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20028001000400

 

Iron Smoke 5 Year old NY Straight Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20009001000387

 

Western Reserve 12 Year KSBW

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20028001001099

 

Wyoming "Single Bottle Select" with all of these things on the label, Harrison Ford Edition, Grand Teton National Park, Bottle 3. Appears to be barrel proof

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20030001000263

Bottle 1 is for Prismatic Spring

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20030001000267

2 is Snake River

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20030001000272

4 is Yellowstone Lake

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20030001000283

I actually quite like these labels and were they on the shelf and I was on a trip one of these places I would likely buy one 

 

Old Elk 200ml Single Barrel, I'm guessing these are just for distribution of store pick samples

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20030001000416

 

New Holland Malthouse 7 Year old Single Malt

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20030001000173

and Cask Strength Beer Barrel Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20029001000649

 

Middle West Cask Strength Straight Bourbon, they manage to label it both Wheated and Four Grain, get all those buzz words in there...

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20037001000693

 

Spirits of French Lick "Unpretentious" Straight Bourbon finished in Port Casks

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20030001000173

 

 

[Kane]

3 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

Old Forester Single Barrel Barrel Strength 

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20023001000079

 

At last, this looks like a proper ordinary BP release in reach for the rest of us plebs.

[BDanner]

On 2/16/2020 at 9:43 AM, kevinbrink said:

 

 

George Dickel 11 Year BIB distilled Fall 2008

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20021001000062

 

 

So, the second release is going to be 11 Years. Hopefully stays under $40. 

 

[kevinbrink]

George Remus King of the Bootleggers Cask Strength Bourbon from MGP

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20021001000812

And Rossville Union Master Crafted BIB Rye Store Picks

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20021001000838

 

A Maker's Mark Keenland bottle with proceeds going to Disabled Jockeys

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20030001000513

 

Barrell Single Barrel 18 Year old KY Straight Whiskey

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20024001000451

Private release Rum Finished Whiskey

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20024001000239

And Apple Brandy Finish

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20025001000024

 

I was fairly certain you couldn't have a double barreled BIB bourbon, even if it was for the 2019 National Champions

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20022001000237

 

A 14 year old TN Straight Rye, anyone know who was making Rye in TN 14 years ago?

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20029001000625

 

Mammoth Reserve 9 Year Norther Reserve Rye, not listed as Straight, also no state of distillation so maybe Canadian?

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19344001000083

 

A 13 year old Bourbon from Horse Soldier, also no state of distillation, and a listed proof of 80 for a steakhouse

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20008001000859

 

Devil Anse Hatfield WV Straight Barrel Proof Bourbon 50ML

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20025001000063

[marshall9779]

Not sure if it was posted but got an email about a MMCS rebrand. Will be using the regular MM bottle.

[smokinjoe]

1 hour ago, marshall9779 said:

Not sure if it was posted but got an email about a MMCS rebrand. Will be using the regular MM bottle.

That's too bad.  I like the heft and "presence" that the thick bottom and squared off shoulders give the current bottle. The raised molded in glass lettering was nice, too, though print on glass could be OK.  Then again, I'm not a solely "what's in the bottle is all that matters" kind of guy.  An attractive and well designed label and bottle does enhance my experience with a whiskey that has them, and I embrace that fact.  

[Harry in WashDC]

5 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

  

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I was fairly certain you couldn't have a double barreled BIB bourbon, even if it was for the 2019 National Champions

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20022001000237

 

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Ragged Branch from Ragged Mountain Farms, LLC, (DSP-VA-20013) is HQ'd in Charlottesville, VA so I guessed that the "National Champions" the label refers to is UVA which beat Texas Tech for the NCAA basketball title last March (DUH!).  BUT, the label is not orange and blue, so I went looking for some other "National Champions".  I found dog shows, Division 2 basketball (congrats, Bearcats), figure skating, and wrestling, none of which were related to Virginia. I returned to the application and found some fine print on the back label.  The label features LSU's colors and explains that one of RB/RMF's partners is from Louisiana.  The label says NOTHING about LSU or football.

 

I sure wish I knew WHY resolving such conundrums is so important to me.  But then, I'm sure some of YOU wondered about the color issue, too.

[BDanner]

4 hours ago, marshall9779 said:

Not sure if it was posted but got an email about a MMCS rebrand. Will be using the regular MM bottle.

Major downgrade IMHO. I like the clunky shape and raised lettered glass of the current bottle with the hand lettered "strip" across the bottom with proof and other pertinent info on it. Made it stand out from the standard Maker's.

Edited February 22, 2020 by BDanner

[BigRich]

That's too bad.  I like the heft and "presence" that the thick bottom and squared off shoulders give the current bottle. The raised molded in glass lettering was nice, too, though print on glass could be OK.  Then again, I'm not a solely "what's in the bottle is all that matters" kind of guy.  An attractive and well designed label and bottle does enhance my experience with a whiskey that has them, and I embrace that fact.  

Yeah but then Accounting said that Sales and Marketing could f—- is themselves because it was more expensive.

[TwoFingers]

6 hours ago, marshall9779 said:

Not sure if it was posted but got an email about a MMCS rebrand. Will be using the regular MM bottle.

You know, I thought I recently noticed that the price of the cask strength might have dropped in our local stores.  The county stores might want to get rid of the old bottles.  I've seen them do that before.  I haven't had the cask strength (don't love the regular) but I may try to pick one of the old bottles up, if I can.

[Harry in WashDC]

16 minutes ago, TwoFingers said:

You know, I thought I recently noticed that the price of the cask strength might have dropped in our local stores.  The county stores might want to get rid of the old bottles.  I've seen them do that before.  I haven't had the cask strength (don't love the regular) but I may try to pick one of the old bottles up, if I can.

THX.  I had not paid attention to county prices on the basic CS.  I shall look.  Last Summer, I had to go to Balmer and hit some Ellicott City stores on the way up and back and picked up a few (less than 4 IIRC) of their CS store picks. You might check their inventories to see if they have any left.  I liked all the flavors they had, but with Summer coming up, one cannot have too many wheateds.  Maybe they, too, are discounting.

[marshall9779]

You know, I thought I recently noticed that the price of the cask strength might have dropped in our local stores.  The county stores might want to get rid of the old bottles.  I've seen them do that before.  I haven't had the cask strength (don't love the regular) but I may try to pick one of the old bottles up, if I can.

Yeah I noticed they did too. I’ve been to pick one up since they’ve done that.

[kevinbrink]

Yellowstone Hand Selected Single Barrels, great throw back label, appears to be barrel proof with Barreled on Date

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20038001000633

 

Ezra Brooks 99 Proof KSBW

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20038001000596

 

Jack Daniel's Eric Church Single Barrel 94 Proof, kind of love this label

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20042001000273

 

Woodford 5 wood

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20034001000290

 

Westland Garryana 5 

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20035001000618

Colere

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20035001000628

And Solum

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20035001000633

 

Elijah Craig finished in Bourbon County Stout Barrels

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20023001000240

 

Calumet Farms KSBW a blend of 13 and 7 Year old Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20055001001055

 

Whiskey Acres BIB from IL

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20035001000201

 

Bird dog Very Small Batch KSBW 8 Years 86 Proof

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20035001000327

Bird Dog Small Batch KSBW  A blend of 5 and 8 year old whiskies 88 Proof

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20035001000351

And 84 Proof KSBW

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20035001000385

 

If you list a State on the label the whiskey has to be distilled there, but I guess this doesn't apply to this Barrrel Proof MGP Straight Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20016001001105

 

A 12 Year old MGP bottled in TX with a big 6 on it, refreshing to see a big number on a label that is lower than the age statement!

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20034001000753

 

Jacob's Pardon 15 Year old Straight MGP American Whiskey

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20037001000859

 

Old Elk Barrel Proof Straight MGP Bourbon

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20036001000492

And Barrel Proof Rye

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20036001000443

 

Not sure what Islay Rye is supposed to be, is it Rye made with Peated Malt, finished in Islay Scotch Barrels, either way this label is likely to not last long once the SWA is aware

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20038001000049

 

Barrell has Private Selections coming out that are finished in every barrel under the sun, I can't be bothered to post them all (or buy them either for that matter)

 

Jepson's A Blend of Straight Bourbons

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20030001000243

 

Templeton Barrel Proof Rye 2020

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20029001000861

And 10 Year old Straight Corn Whiskey

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20042001000558