Eggman Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Howdy,Knob Creek. Didn't do a thing for me. I was stunned to find out that KC is nothing but JBB that's spent 12 more months in the barrel. I like JBB, so why don't I like KC?EggmanPS: KC had ...citrus notes that failed to impress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErichPryde Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Howdy,Knob Creek. Didn't do a thing for me. I was stunned to find out that KC is nothing but JBB that's spent 12 more months in the barrel. I like JBB, so why don't I like KC?EggmanPS: KC had ...citrus notes that failed to impress.It's not quite that simple. Jim beam white, seven year, black, and knob creek are ALL the "same" whiskey- that is, they use the same mashbill and yeast- but something like 50% or more of the final flavor comes from the actual barrel/aging process. Jim Beam mixes various barrels that have a specific flavor profile to get Black, and barrels with a somewhat different profile to get KC. I'm with you on Jim Beam black- I've just never found any depth in Knob Creek. Pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrbnBorderline Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Woodford Reserve 135th Kentucky Derby bottling. Definitely not worth the $46.95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BootFNBD Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I would say Buffalo Trace did absolutely nothing for me!One recurring item I see in this thread and other threads in the forums, is musty, damp earth aromas and taste. This is purely from "Skunked" Corks and they can ruin an entire run. Some distillers appear to have more problems with it than others, but, I've seen just about every brand knocked for musty smells. The resolution is extremely simple, plastic corks or screw tops. The wineries (some U.S), Australia, New Zealand and South America figured this out and no longer have any problems with skunked wine. There just isn't enough "GOOD" cork to go around.I know some will look at this as heresy, but, if the distilleries want to deliver a consistent product, they will have to move in this direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 My latest bottle of Ezra Brooks has a fake cork in it while the one it replaced was sealed with a real one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkluna Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Most disappointing for me was gold foil Hirsch, which reminded me somewhat of chewing gum wrapper. I've since had a sip of blue was Hirsch, which was beyond fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emr454 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Some distillers appear to have more problems with it than others, but, I've seen just about every brand knocked for musty smells. The resolution is extremely simple, plastic corks or screw tops. The wineries (some U.S), Australia, New Zealand and South America figured this out and no longer have any problems with skunked wine. There just isn't enough "GOOD" cork to go around.I know some will look at this as heresy, but, if the distilleries want to deliver a consistent product, they will have to move in this direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclebunk Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I agree 100%! If these companies want repeat customers and positive reviews of their products, why gamble on the fact that real corks can ruin the whole thing? It may cost a bit more for them to purchse fake corks, but wouldn't it be worth it?Here's a question, would you still purchase whiskies with fake corks if it caused the price to increase, say $1/bottle? I'm sure thats a very high number all things considered.Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.W. Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I have tried Elijah Craig only once but it was so bitter I could not drink it. If memory serves the cork appeared to be a strange color maby it was bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinjoe Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 My latest bottle of Ezra Brooks has a fake cork in it while the one it replaced was sealed with a real one.I noticed that on my latest bottle, too. I do like cork, but if these were to be the replacements, I wouldn't argue too much. It seemed to look, feel and sound pretty good. What do you think AB? Is it a deal breaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOWK Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I noticed that on my latest bottle, too. I do like cork, but if these were to be the replacements, I wouldn't argue too much. It seemed to look, feel and sound pretty good. What do you think AB? Is it a deal breaker?The 6 bottles I just got the other day all have fake corks in them. Still taste's pretty darn good though for $13/bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Mine were on sale at $10.49 and the fake cork didn't bother me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Pollito Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I would definitely be willing to pay a tad more money to ensure getting an untainted bottle of whiskey. And to tell you the truth, I'm not bothered by screw-tops either. Just give me something that works! I wonder what Etchochem thinks about this. Etch...have you've done any experimentation with the synthetics? Is the cork thang More mental than physical? Just curious and afraid I've commited thread-drift. All apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanSheen Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I wonder what Etchochem thinks about this. Etch...have you've done any experimentation with the synthetics? Is the cork thang More mental than physical? Just curious and afraid I've commited thread-drift. All apologies. A certain percentage of cork actually carries a contaminant that causes product to go bad. This was talked about in a thread over the last month but I cant recall which one. Seems like a good reason to move all of the tops to screws or synthetic, but the producers probably get a smaller percentage of returns than all the bad bottles out in the wild so it's not a huge concern from a profit standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Pollito Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Yeah, I remember the cork taint thread. I was just wondering if there is ever synthetic taint...like chemicals leaching out over time and messin with the bourbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShewDawg Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I would say Buffalo Trace did absolutely nothing for me!One recurring item I see in this thread and other threads in the forums, is musty, damp earth aromas and taste. This is purely from "Skunked" Corks and they can ruin an entire run. Some distillers appear to have more problems with it than others, but, I've seen just about every brand knocked for musty smells. The resolution is extremely simple, plastic corks or screw tops. The wineries (some U.S), Australia, New Zealand and South America figured this out and no longer have any problems with skunked wine. There just isn't enough "GOOD" cork to go around.I know some will look at this as heresy, but, if the distilleries want to deliver a consistent product, they will have to move in this direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBQ+Bourbon Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I agree 100%! If these companies want repeat customers and positive reviews of their products, why gamble on the fact that real corks can ruin the whole thing? It may cost a bit more for them to purchse fake corks, but wouldn't it be worth it?Here's a question, would you still purchase whiskies with fake corks if it caused the price to increase, say $1/bottle? I'm sure thats a very high number all things considered.EricI am also on this bandwagon. I tracked down two bottles of Pappy 15, had them shipped, and both are bad. One is REALLY bad and the other is just a little bad. I found a third bottle locally and it is fine and does not have that musty damp taste. BT has sent a box and packing materials and I understand they will refund the purchase price. I do appreciate them standing behind there product. However, I would much rather have three good bottles. Cork =:shithappens: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loose proton Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 ...Seems like a good reason to move all of the tops to screws or synthetic, ...I think screw top is the best for keeping product in good condition, but market prefers cork because that's just the way it's supposed to be. I feel like I'm drinking whiskey when that cork goes pop when pulling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesW Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Wathen's has a fake cork and it works very well. I'd prefer that to cork-taint any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailor22 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I'm on the Synthetic Cork or screw top band wagon too. It wouldn't be hard to design a stopper that was pleasing and sealed with synthetic material. Every older bottle ('50s thru 70's) that had a cork was effected by it to some degree. None of the screw tops had any off taste at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catsfan Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I would go with Wathens Single Barrel or Elijah Craig 12 yo. Other than those two I havent had a bad pour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docbible Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Mine would be WR sonoma cutter and 4 grain. I was so wanting these to be as great as the price. The cutter cleaned the drain to clear some room in the cabinet after sitting for a few years. tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westernboys Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Woodford Reserve. Just not as good as the other bourbons I've tasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Comp Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Yes, Virginia, there is mediocre Stitzel Weller bourbon. In spite of previous lukewarm opinions from some of the more experienced tasters, here and other places, I finally bit the bait and plunked down $33.39 of my hard earned dollars for a BHC Very Special Old Fitzgerald. Well as the label states, it is AGED IN WOOD and that is about all I get out of this and maybe even similar to what I might imagine the rain water that collects in the bottom pit of my smoker might taste like. I'd love to know who/what/how made Weller Centennial so good, and this so bad, in my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Lamplighter Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Must admit it has been a while since I had one but the one that stands out in the past was BT. Tried a regular and a private bottling....no difference in them in my opinion....both musty,dusty and dank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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