Jefferson's Reserve Presidential 18

[CaptainQ]

Shame they are watering down this good juice so much.

Damn, for a minute, I thought Oscar had returned.

[weller_tex]

Shame they are watering down this good juice so much.

True, but at least us mere mortals stand a chance in &^% of trying SW juice. The Jefferson's is pretty easy to get. I would have liked to try it at 100-110 proof, though.

[Stormeh]

Are the Jefferson's 18 available at TPS and Binnys privately selected or the same batched stuff available elsewhere?

[cbus]

Are the Jefferson's 18 available at TPS and Binnys privately selected or the same batched stuff available elsewhere?

[Tico]

The major difference for the TPS selection, from what I can gather, is that it is non-chill filtered. I had this along with the rest of the Jefferson's line at a tasting event there last year sometime and I did come away liking the TPS selection better than the standard. I think the fact that it is not chill filtered makes a difference.

[jburlowski]

K&L is supposedly getting some in this week that is also non chill filtered. The TPS is batch 26, is that right?

If you referring to the TPS selection, it's a single barrel.

[Stormeh]

So the TPS Jefferson's 18 is different than the batched versions available other places? Better, or worse?

[Tico]

If you referring to the TPS selection, it's a single barrel.

I talked to someone from TPS a week or so ago and I thought they said that the stuff they recently got in was not a single barrel selection.

[clingman71]

I talked to someone from TPS a week or so ago and I thought they said that the stuff they recently got in was not a single barrel selection.

TPS had both a single barrel TPS selection and regular batches. I was there yesterday. The single barrel was not in the case, but batch #26 was. I like the TPS 18 better than.my batch 5 17, but I haven't had any 18 batches beyond the TPS.

[Steve99]

I am really enjoying my Batch 12. I love the complexity and finish. I still find it hard to believe it is just 94 proof. The finish is so long and complex. Just wish it wasn't so expensive, but I'm going to have to find some more of this.

[Tico]

K&L offered some of this earlier this week for $75.99. Apparently it was a bunch of different batches, K&L bought everything the distributor had.

I was at a friends house and he pulled out some batch 14 tonight. I was floored, very good stuff. Got home and opened my package to see three bottles of batch 14 fresh of the delivery truck.:grin:

[StraightNoChaser]

Just received word that the JPS line of whiskeys are in fact DSPKY16 distilled. The barrels supposedly belonged to HH as they acquired the OF stocks after purchasing the label.

[bgageus]

Just received word that the JPS line of whiskeys are in fact DSPKY16 distilled. The barrels supposedly belonged to HH as they acquired the OF stocks after purchasing the label.

Any word on changing the age statement? So we dont have to wonder if its vatted, blended with other stock, and to what percerntage its DSP16.:grin:

[StraightNoChaser]

As we discussed today, this is a great case for bringing back BIB. It is a standard for transparency and a good measure of a distiller's capability

[Bmac]

Just received word that the JPS line of whiskeys are in fact DSPKY16 distilled. The barrels supposedly belonged to HH as they acquired the OF stocks after purchasing the label.

OK, so how are they able to state that the whiskey was aged in SW barrels? Also, the flavor profile matches exactly to other SW product I have tasted. I admit the age statement throws me off.

I am avoiding suggesting that JPS is blended with various distillery products

[Bmac]

As we discussed today, this is a great case for bringing back BIB. It is a standard for transparency and a good measure of a distiller's capability

A very fine idea!

[StraightNoChaser]

OK, so how are they able to state that the whiskey was aged in SW barrels? Also, the flavor profile matches exactly to other SW product I have tasted. I admit the age statement throws me off.

I am avoiding suggesting that JPS is blended with various distillery products

They are S-W whiskey.

[Bmac]

They are S-W whiskey.

Ok. Good to know, thanks.

[fishnbowljoe]

As we discussed today, this is a great case for bringing back BIB. It is a standard for transparency and a good measure of a distiller's capability

I couldn't agree more.

[BFerguson]

I admit the age statement throws me off.

I am avoiding suggesting that JPS is blended with various distillery products

A local retailer, just got more of this in recently, I haven't seen it yet, but in talking about he mentioned to me that the age was more like 20yr than the stated 18.

If age stated, that would be the minimum age of spirits in the mix, nothing states that you can't put something older in the mix.

Saves the expense of creating a new label for the new age.

B

[Bmac]

A local retailer, just got more of this in recently, I haven't seen it yet, but in talking about he mentioned to me that the age was more like 20yr than the stated 18.

If age stated, that would be the minimum age of spirits in the mix, nothing states that you can't put something older in the mix.

Saves the expense of creating a new label for the new age.

B

[clingman71]

That's interesting because at 20 years that would fit the math for SW.

[Bmac]

The 18 does as well, you have to look at the year in which the label went from 17 to 18. It hasn't changed since then. 18 only means that 18 years old is the youngest any whiskey in the bottle could be. If all of Jefferson's stock is from the same timeframe, it would be roughly 20.5 years old now, provided it is still in the barrel and not tanked.

Correct. If it was vatted, then 18 makes sense...but if they are suggesting the youngest could be 18...then i suppose that works too.

So, this isn't the first time I have heard that a label could have older whiskey than what is placed on the label. This whole regulation is becoming confusing. So, if you put an age statement, it doesn't have to be accurate as long as the whiskey isn't younger than what is stated on the label?

[Tucker]

So, if you put an age statement, it doesn't have to be accurate as long as the whiskey isn't younger than what is stated on the label?

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=text&node=27:1.0.1.1.3&idno=27#27:1.0.1.1.3.5.25.12

§ 5.40 Statements of age and percentage.

(a) Statements of age and percentage for whisky. In the case of straight whisky bottled in conformity with the bottled in bond labeling requirements and of domestic or foreign whisky, whether or not mixed or blended, all of which is 4 years old or more, statements of age and percentage are optional. As to all other whiskies there shall be stated the following:

(1) In the case of whisky, whether or not mixed or blended but containing no neutral spirits, the age of the youngest whisky. The age statement shall read substantially as follows: “___ years old.”

[Bmac]

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=text&node=27:1.0.1.1.3&idno=27#27:1.0.1.1.3.5.25.12

§ 5.40 Statements of age and percentage.

(a) Statements of age and percentage for whisky. In the case of straight whisky bottled in conformity with the bottled in bond labeling requirements and of domestic or foreign whisky, whether or not mixed or blended, all of which is 4 years old or more, statements of age and percentage are optional. As to all other whiskies there shall be stated the following:

(1) In the case of whisky, whether or not mixed or blended but containing no neutral spirits, the age of the youngest whisky. The age statement shall read substantially as follows: “___ years old.â€

Thanks Tucker . You know it makes me feel better that it could be older than 18 at it's current price point (in Texas that is)