What are you drinking tonight? (Winter '07)

[SBOmarc]

Aaahhhhh... Fat Tire... the world's :grin: greatest :grin: beer!

You have excellent :bowdown: taste indeed.

For the summer months, might I suggest New Belgium's Skinny Dip - very, very, very refreshing!

Last night I finished a bottle of W.L. Weller 12 yr - enjoyed each and every drink and will definitely be replacing it soon.

~tp

I see I can consider myself fortunate. Fat Tire abundant around these parts and showing up on tap with increased frequency

[JRomain]

I see I can consider myself fortunate. Fat Tire abundant around these parts and showing up on tap with increased frequency

Do not kid yourselves, people! Anyone with some beer knowledge should know that this beer is made with little care. After all, its heavily filtered, force carbonated (NOT bottle-conditioned, much to my chagrin), underattenuated, and a has buttload of apparent flaws (yeasty, flabby, and very grainy to name a few). People just love to impress others by saying something "knowledgeable" about any sort of craft beer. Just because a small brewery made it, does not mean it is of quality. Fat Tire is an unchallenging beer made for the masses. I've had al NB beers, and La Folie and Abbey Ale are the only ones worth consuming. La Folie is a Flemish sour ale aged for three years in wine barrels which are then dosed with wild yeast that induces spontaneous fermetaion. It is then refermented in the bottle and ages extremely well. Until people open their eyes and stop interpreting marketing and popularity as mirroring quality, then all hope is lost.

[boone]

Who pissed in your "Wheaties"?

Bettye Jo

Do not kid yourselves, people! Anyone with some beer knowledge should know that this beer is made with little care. After all, its heavily filtered, force carbonated (NOT bottle-conditioned, much to my chagrin), underattenuated, and a has buttload of apparent flaws (yeasty, flabby, and very grainy to name a few). People just love to impress others by saying something "knowledgeable" about any sort of craft beer. Just because a small brewery made it, does not mean it is of quality. Fat Tire is an unchallenging beer made for the masses. I've had al NB beers, and La Folie and Abbey Ale are the only ones worth consuming. La Folie is a Flemish sour ale aged for three years in wine barrels which are then dosed with wild yeast that induces spontaneous fermetaion. It is then refermented in the bottle and ages extremely well. Until people open their eyes and stop interpreting marketing and popularity as mirroring quality, then all hope is lost.

[bluesbassdad]

Bettye Jo,

Reminds me of Corona beer. You know, "The Beer With Something Extra"?

:grin: Wink, wink; nudge, nudge. :grin:

Yours truly,

Dave Morefield

[Str8RYE]

Do not kid yourselves, people! Anyone with some beer knowledge should know that this beer is made with little care. After all, its heavily filtered, force carbonated (NOT bottle-conditioned, much to my chagrin), underattenuated, and a has buttload of apparent flaws (yeasty, flabby, and very grainy to name a few). People just love to impress others by saying something "knowledgeable" about any sort of craft beer. Just because a small brewery made it, does not mean it is of quality. Fat Tire is an unchallenging beer made for the masses. I've had al NB beers, and La Folie and Abbey Ale are the only ones worth consuming. La Folie is a Flemish sour ale aged for three years in wine barrels which are then dosed with wild yeast that induces spontaneous fermetaion. It is then refermented in the bottle and ages extremely well. Until people open their eyes and stop interpreting marketing and popularity as mirroring quality, then all hope is lost.

I can't help but notice you decided to go on a real little bitch trip today. You insulted people who don't like YOUR choice of beers, you had a problem with Buffalo Trace bourbon and WT Russel Reserve 90. If you are having a bad day maybe you could not take it out on us:skep: :skep: :skep:

PS I am a "Beer Geek", so I know what your talking about, BUT being a NUT to our fellow members is kinda RUDE!!!

[SBOmarc]

Do not kid yourselves, people! Anyone with some beer knowledge should know that this beer is made with little care. After all, its heavily filtered, force carbonated (NOT bottle-conditioned, much to my chagrin), underattenuated, and a has buttload of apparent flaws (yeasty, flabby, and very grainy to name a few). People just love to impress others by saying something "knowledgeable" about any sort of craft beer. Just because a small brewery made it, does not mean it is of quality. Fat Tire is an unchallenging beer made for the masses. I've had al NB beers, and La Folie and Abbey Ale are the only ones worth consuming. La Folie is a Flemish sour ale aged for three years in wine barrels which are then dosed with wild yeast that induces spontaneous fermetaion. It is then refermented in the bottle and ages extremely well. Until people open their eyes and stop interpreting marketing and popularity as mirroring quality, then all hope is lost.

The only beer knowledge that I have ever listened to is my own. So thank you for the information, and drink whatever you would like.

I will do the same.

[bluesbassdad]

Marc,

Let's not be hasty.

I actually enjoy reading/hearing the opinions of others when they don't sound like a put-down.

Come to think of it, not everyone who posts here meets that standard.

Yours truly,

Dave Morefield

[SBOmarc]

I enjoy reading them also, And I did say Thank You.

[ggilbertva]

WT Rare Breed. Haven't had this item in quite a while....been too busy with other fine selections. I forgot how tasty this is......

[TBoner]

As a follow-up, let me say as a homebrewer and beer lover that while Fat Tire is not up to the standards of many beer snobs (of which I am one), it is so far superior to 99% of beers produced in the world as to render any criticism superfluous.

I enjoy Fat Tire semi-frequently, and it has a unique character that no other beer approximates. It's not to everyone's taste, but I like it, especially with pork chops and fried apples.

Yes, New Belgium's Abbey Ale and La Folie are also good (though I'd add their Tripel is stellar and the 1554 is damnably drinkable), but New Belgium doesn't make a "bad" product. Remember, when comparing New Belgium to true Trappist ales, you are putting an American microbrew that must compete in a tough market and balance its appeal to beer snobs against its nationwide marketability up against a nanobrew made to a centuries-old tradition that appeals at least partly because of its rarity and its circumstance.

New Belgium has done more than probably any other microbrew except Sam Adams to further the palate of the beer snob and the casual beerdrinker alike. We owe the demand for and subsequent availability of Trappist beers stateside at least in part to New Belgium's efforts.

Now, I need to go get a sixer of Fat Tire. It's been awhile.

p.s. sorry for the hijack.

Drinking Knob Creek tonight (speaking of quality craft alcohol that the snobs like to beat up on)

[Str8RYE]

As a follow-up, let me say as a home brewer and beer lover that while Fat Tire is not up to the standards of many beer snobs (of which I am one), it is so far superior to 99% of beers produced in the world as to render any criticism superfluous.

I enjoy Fat Tire semi-frequently, and it has a unique character that no other beer approximates. It's not to everyone's taste, but I like it, especially with pork chops and fried apples.

Yes, New Belgium's Abbey Ale and La Folie are also good (though I'd add their Tripel is stellar and the 1554 is damnably drinkable), but New Belgium doesn't make a "bad" product. Remember, when comparing New Belgium to true Trappist ales, you are putting an American micro brew that must compete in a tough market and balance its appeal to beer snobs against its nationwide marketability up against a nanobrew made to a centuries-old tradition that appeals at least partly because of its rarity and its circumstance.

New Belgium has done more than probably any other micro brew except Sam Adams to further the palate of the beer snob and the casual beer drinker alike. We owe the demand for and subsequent availability of Trappist beers stateside at least in part to New Belgium's efforts.

Now, I need to go get a sixer of Fat Tire. It's been awhile.

p.s. sorry for the hijack.

Drinking Knob Creek tonight (speaking of quality craft alcohol that the snobs like to beat up on)

You think New Belgium has done more than Victory, Stone, Rogue, and DFH??? I'm avoiding mentioning many more for that matter. You know what though I live in NY and they don't distribute any NB to NY. Have you ever had any Southampton's Brews or Six-Point's ??? It's so hard to say which is better or more influential when not everything is distributed Country wide.

[SBOmarc]

WT RB, followed by a Weller Antique.

Enjoyed the Rye to Wheat Express...

[TBoner]

STR8Rye,

Yes is the short answer to your question.

New Belgium has wider distribution than any of those you mentioned, a wider spectrum of products (though DFH is certainly better in the experimental realm), and more history.

Stone in particular is nothing but hop bombs (not that I'm complaining) except for the Vertical Epic series.

Rogue has variety, but their house yeast character lends a sameness to everything.

Further, people who go buy a true Belgian beer out of curiousity don't do it because they tasted Victory Hop Devil or Arrogant Bastard. They do it because they like Fat Tire.

I'm not saying some other long-time microbrews aren't better. But in terms of impact on the industry, I don't know if anyone is close.

We should continue this over PM (if you like) since we've hijacked quite a bit on this thread. I was really just defending Fat Tire as a drink of choice.

SBOMarc, I love following WT Rye with Weller. Talk about express...but it's a sequence that works.

[wskybnt]

Started with a pour of Hirsch 16, followed with BMH 14, and now I am going to tone it done a couple of shelves to the WT 101 before bed.....

[NorCalBoozer]

lets see...Anchor Steam Beer followed by Old Fitzgerald BIB DSP16 ended with WT Rare Breed.

I have got to say that was one of my better flights.

[doubleblank]

In light of the earlier posts.....a single drink tonight. NB's 1554 Brightened Black Ale. A nice, dry chocolaty finish that's not too sweet. Easy to enjoy late at night.

Randy

[barturtle]

While I was in Houston this weekend (thanks for the room, Randy!) I picked up a trio of New Belgium Beers, Fat Tire, Abbey and Tripple. Tonight I had the Abbey. While not near what I expect of a Belgian, it was a fine beer (I really need to think of these as Colorado-interpretations of Belgian ales, as opposed to the Brewery Ommegang offerings that are a bit more faithful to the originals). I had the 1554 while visiting Randy and think I prefer it, but then I am partial to black beers in general. Unfortunately there was none of the Flanders-style to be found.

I followed this up with a couple pours of Dickel Barrel Select. While at first I was quite displeased when I opened this bottle a few weeks ago, several people have drank out of it since, but finally revisiting it (you know you're not pleased when you pour but don't partake) I think it has changed a bit in the bottle. It's still not a replacement for the SBR, but the slight oxidation/opening up has toned some of the flavors that I disliked initially and allowed some of the underlying depth to show...of course that some may be all there is to ever discover, but some is better than none.

[fitzharry]

Earlier this evening I enjoyed an Old Grand-Dad BIB 100 and Canada Dry ginger ale in a tall glass. This is my favorite soda drink with bourbon because I find it very refreshing.

My last two drinks this evening were from a new bottle of Canadian Club Reserve 10 Years Old on the rocks. I had the opportunity to drink this on a Continental Airlines flight back home from a business trip and really enjoyed it, so I bought a bottle at Spec's. I find it light but still full of taste, more like Irish whiskey than Scotch. In my opinion, this would be a good dram to accompany a light dinner, although not a heavily-spiced one.

[bluesbassdad]

Wild Turkey Russell's Reserve 90 proof. My first impression is that it's much gentler, more subtle, than my memory of the 101 proof expression -- and that's not just due to the lower proof. It has a heather-like quality that I've never noticed in any WT bottling, no matter how much water I've added.

I expected the reduced proof to result in a product that is clearly inferior to the original. That is not the case.

I'm not up to a direct comparison to RR101 or other WT bottlings tonight, but such a comparison is clearly warranted.

Yours truly,

Dave Morefield

[JRomain]

As a follow-up, let me say as a homebrewer and beer lover that while Fat Tire is not up to the standards of many beer snobs (of which I am one), it is so far superior to 99% of beers produced in the world as to render any criticism superfluous.

I enjoy Fat Tire semi-frequently, and it has a unique character that no other beer approximates. It's not to everyone's taste, but I like it, especially with pork chops and fried apples.

Yes, New Belgium's Abbey Ale and La Folie are also good (though I'd add their Tripel is stellar and the 1554 is damnably drinkable), but New Belgium doesn't make a "bad" product. Remember, when comparing New Belgium to true Trappist ales, you are putting an American microbrew that must compete in a tough market and balance its appeal to beer snobs against its nationwide marketability up against a nanobrew made to a centuries-old tradition that appeals at least partly because of its rarity and its circumstance.

New Belgium has done more than probably any other microbrew except Sam Adams to further the palate of the beer snob and the casual beerdrinker alike. We owe the demand for and subsequent availability of Trappist beers stateside at least in part to New Belgium's efforts.

Now, I need to go get a sixer of Fat Tire. It's been awhile.

p.s. sorry for the hijack.

Drinking Knob Creek tonight (speaking of quality craft alcohol that the snobs like to beat up on)

I understand the whole "competing in a tough market" thing. But a flawed beer is a flawed beer. Nearly every beer they make is just that -- heavily flawed, i.e. thin, underattenuated, dirty, grainy, etc. The Trippel is okay, but why they filter it to death and don't bottle-condition it is plain silly. It's also become very fusel and grainy over the past few years.

The 1554 is passable at best. It's thin due to the heavy filtration and obviously-forced carbonation. It also has no malt depth and is quite watery. I actually feel embarassed for NB, in that they feel like these are quality releases when they clearly are not...at least to someone who has been dissecting and analyzing their beers for many years.

[ILLfarmboy]

Drinking a small pour of WLW '05. I still find this to be mostly wood and alcohol. I would open a new bottle of Antique but I've got enough open bottles already.

[ggilbertva]

KBD Vintage 17. Almost down to my last pour. Have to figure out where to get more. :cool:

[JDutton]

Started with a Snowshoe, made with WT101. Now having a pour of Lot B, neat.

[doubleblank]

Having a little Lot B myself. Van Blankle Lot B. Both are very good.

Randy

[FlashPuppy]

Had a decent pour of WLW '06 tonight. Actually I think it was a bit too much of a pour. :drinking: :falling: :drink: :icon_pidu: :icon_pidu::22: :22: :22: :22: